why d4 is better than e4

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nameno1had

sapientdust wrote:

nameno1had wrote:

sapientdust wrote:

You don't master the Ruy Lopez, the Ruy Lopez masters you.

How do you come to that conclusion ?

It's a joke that hints at the incredible depth and breadth of theory that falls within the "Ruy Lopez": surely more than any single person will ever completely master!

If you want to get technical, one could claim that for any opening or defense, due to the sheer volume of variations possible, yet some are credited with being masters of certain lines..

Believe me when I tell, as long I can remember, I will attempt to master it. I remember playing it when I first was experimenting. I got my arse handed to me. Now I shred people with it. I checked the other day and it was astonishing to me that I had memorized the 1st 12 moves for each side in the mainline...plus I have a pretty good handle on a few of the other of the best lines...even if I am not capable of retaining it all, I'll try anyway. In the end, I don't have to master it, just my opponents.... ;-)

jclheriteau

Again, all opening are good, especially at our level.

I started playing e4, then stopped as I was fed-up loosing (in Blitz) to opening traps and very aggressive attacks.

So I switched to d4 and opening became my strengh. But after a while, I would meet similar strengh opponent and they will come out equal from opening. And then beat me in middle game, as I was (still am) weak in middle game/tactics.

Now I play e4 again and especially King Gambit! Tactics from the start.

ajian

okay???????????

Rick56

"I started playing e4. Then d4 because I was not agressive. Then someone played agressively when I played d4 so I could no longer win. I can't play tactical games. Therefore, I play kings gambit. Tactics from that start."

Which part was confusing to you? Cool

nameno1had
Rick56 wrote:

"I started playing e4. Then d4 because I was not agressive. Then someone played agressively when I played d4 so I could no longer win. I can't play tactical games. Therefore, I play kings gambit. Tactics from that start."

Which part was confusing to you?

I guess that makes some sense to me...if you can memorize the few tactics that occur as if they are part of an opening that you see everytime you play, it is easier to manage, especially after you get through it, you settle into more of a positional game...

I try to be more balanced and used to think more like you. It is the reason I chose the Ruy Lopez and also why I have stuck with it, it has something for everyone's preference in my opinion... unless of course the play the Sicilian, French,Caro-Kann, etc....but I need to learn how to play e4, no matter what...since it is what I have chosen to try making my speciality...

jclheriteau

Good rewording, rick :)

Rick56

I was just messin' around :) King's gambit is a fun game - although I never play it as white. My favorite, as white, is almost the Ruy Lopez. I stop one square short and get into the zone with the Giuocco Piano. (sp?)

davidacrompton

I hardly ever play e4.  You have to memorise long openings like the Ruy Lopez and Guico Piano with centuries of history behind them.  d4 seems more adaptable.

shepi13
Eugeneius

I skip them both and play c4 - English opening - my favorite.

Rick56

for those who mimic the guiocco piano, two words: evans gambit.

waffllemaster

I forgot about this goofy thread.  Would have been much better as a question not of opening moves, but of the sqaures themselves... at least then we could have some fun.

"which is better, c2 sqaure or g5?"

DrSpudnik
davidacrompton wrote:

I hardly ever play e4.  You have to memorise long openings like the Ruy Lopez and Guico Piano with centuries of history behind them.  d4 seems more adaptable.

It is almost impossible to make any progress in chess without memorizing long opening lines regardless of whether you open e4 or d4. If you don't like memorizing your open & semi-open games, why would anyone like memorizing the Nimzo-indian, King's Indian or Queen's Gambit?

nameno1had

waffllemaster wrote:

I forgot about this goofy thread.  Would have been much better as a question not of opening moves, but of the sqaures themselves... at least then we could have some fun.

"which is better, c2 sqaure or g5?"

I was thinking thread in detail about how amateurs play for pieces that are part of weak positions, while GM's play for control over weak squares and how to change your way of thinking from one to the other....

Expertise87

The Slav has a ton of theory and some of the most deeply-calculated and heavily-analyzed lines in chess...

ajian

play the sicilian! or this weird Ruy lopez line 3..a6 4.Ba4 b5 5.Bb3 Na5

I know black's position looks really passive. But its fun to play with lots of potential counterplay for black!

abiogenesis23

These topics are stupid.  

shepi13

Na5 hangs the e5 pawn, which is why it is never played. After 5...d6 a4 white should be better, which is why b5 is usually delayed a few moves.



Expertise87
shepi13 wrote:

Na5 hangs the e5 pawn, which is why it is never played. After 5...d6 a4 white should be better, which is why b5 is usually delayed a few moves.

 



We'll have to let Taimanov know that...

6.Nxe5 is a rare move that is well-enough met by 6...Nxb3 7.axb3 Qe7 getting the pawn back. Maybe White has a slight pull there but it certainly doesn't 'hang the e5-pawn' as you claim.

CHCL

I am so sick of this discussion. Both are good. Everything is 1.e4 vs. 1.d4...