hessmaster wrote:
No Sicilian is better than French, even though both refute it, the Sicilian will put e4 out of existence.
Are you trolling, aren't you? Neither the french nor the sicilian refuted e4...seriously
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hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
And to say that e4 is slowly being refuted you're probably having a bad day...
1.e4 has hardly been refuted or in the process of being refuted. The Sicilian and French Defense don't refute 1.e4, and haven't for decades. Pfren has already showed numerous high level chess players who play 1.e4 often with success.
I played 1 e4 almost exclusively from 1973-1997 then moved to Europe ( Portugal ) where I started playing 1 d4 as well . I switched to 1 d4 because I was tired of playing so many sicilians . ( I play several sicilians as black against 1 e4 ) I started playing 1 d4 because I wanted more variety in the openings I played/faced. Now I play both and the sicilian doesnt refute 1 e4 anymore than the nimzo indian refutes 1 d4 . ( they score very similar percentages for black ) Karpov and Kasparov both played 1 e4 and 1 d4 in their careers ... Spassky did as well.
Feb 12, 2012
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The Sicilian does not refute.1.e4, but the Half Sicilian does...
Right now 1d4 seems more popluar in world championships because Topalov has trouble with the Catalan. This could all change tomorrow.
Both e4 and d4 are not and will never be refuted, there are billions and billions of options for both sides, it's impossible to say that one day if somebody plays e4 or d4 people will know millions of huge combinations of moves and positions that will always give black a win.
BattleManager wrote:
hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
your really low rated. challenge me to a game sometime.
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
your really low rated. challenge me to a game sometime.
I would challenge you if you didn't accept only +1500 players. I'm 1703 FIDE and i'm not trying to prove anything. But you don't need to have 2500 to understand that e4 will never be refuted.
BattleManager wrote:
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
your really low rated. challenge me to a game sometime.
I would challenge you if you didn't accept only +1500 players. I'm 1703 FIDE and i'm not trying to prove anything. But you don't need to have 2500 to understand that e4 will never be refuted.
Then why are you a 963?it really equals negative 363, since on chess.com you start as a 1200
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
your really low rated. challenge me to a game sometime.
I would challenge you if you didn't accept only +1500 players. I'm 1703 FIDE and i'm not trying to prove anything. But you don't need to have 2500 to understand that e4 will never be refuted.
Then why are you a 963?it really equals negative 363, since on chess.com you start as a 1200
I lost because of time the three games because you know i also study and do other things and forgot to come here.If you don't believe me, then it's ok. And yes out there i'm 1703 FIDE, what's wrong with you and your humility? Cool you are 1600 and something on chess.com good for you,does that mean you can create topics saying that e4 is refuted(when it clearly isn't) and someone who doesn't play here too often can't comment and disagree? Humility please one thing that all chess players need.
Feb 12, 2012
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hessmaster wrote:
Fischer played c4 and his opponent resigned...that just refuted both d4 and e4.
Why has no one told me this before?! From now on, I'm playing c4 Every Time with the message "Gotcha! You might as well resign now!" (hope other players don't get word of this---let's keep it amongst ourselves, ok?)
THis is a nonsense topic. Despite that, I cant't resist posting..
"1.d4 is better than 1.e4?".
In what sense, may I ask? Try playing 1.d4 d5, 2.a4 against a GM.
Try winning with 1.d4 2. c4 against the Semi-slav; it leads to highly theoretical possitions, almost impossible to judge.
Try to win with 1.e4 versus a GM playing Petroff. It is =
AnthonyCG wrote:
1.e4 is best because it allows the king to get to the other side. 1.d4?! was once mistakenly played by Fischer although he managed to prevent his opponent's king from getting to his side just in time.
This also explains why the Colle is so popular. After 1.d4?! d5!! White is unable to play e4. However after 2.e3! White's king has some room to breathe. Unfortunately Black has 2...e5-+ sacrificing a pawn for his king to move.
why would you need to play e3? the opponent can't deliver checkmate. e4 leaves hanging pawns. d4 creates a nice potential positional advantage. Also, d4,d5, e3?? e5??, dxe5! wins a pawn for nothing. you might say now the e-pawn is hanging, but white also has presure on d5. e3 and especially e5 are both very bad moves, on the view of d4.
Reb wrote:
I played 1 e4 almost exclusively from 1973-1997 then moved to Europe ( Portugal ) where I started playing 1 d4 as well . I switched to 1 d4 because I was tired of playing so many sicilians . ( I play several sicilians as black against 1 e4 ) I started playing 1 d4 because I wanted more variety in the openings I played/faced. Now I play both and the sicilian doesnt refute 1 e4 anymore than the nimzo indian refutes 1 d4 . ( they score very similar percentages for black ) Karpov and Kasparov both played 1 e4 and 1 d4 in their careers ... Spassky did as well.
The nimzo indian just lets white have a strong center, and it turns into the passive declined variation.(even though I like declined better than slav.)The french Does refute e4, because black is able to prove lots of weaknesses in white's position
ajian wrote:
why would you need to play e3?
Because he couldn't imagine that this comment would be taken seriously by someone.
hessmaster wrote:
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
ajian wrote:
BattleManager wrote:
hessmaster wrote:
I am serious the sicilian is really good thats why people are turning to d4 for help.
e4 is being refuted...just very slowly.
Lol dude are you on crack or what...the sicilian gives black good chances to play for a win against e4 but hell it doesn't refute it whatsoever.
your really low rated. challenge me to a game sometime.
I would challenge you if you didn't accept only +1500 players. I'm 1703 FIDE and i'm not trying to prove anything. But you don't need to have 2500 to understand that e4 will never be refuted.
Then why are you a 963?it really equals negative 363, since on chess.com you start as a 1200
963-1200=-237 so he's negative 237 points not -363...still not that good though.
On other websites you starts as 1400...
Still you didn't read my last post where i mentioned that i lost three games because of time(even if i didn't i still could express my opinion here and i would do so, lol and hence the fact that 963 is my blitz rating on this site), i'll quote it anyway:
"I lost because of time the three games because you know i also study and do other things and forgot to come here.If you don't believe me, then it's ok. And yes out there i'm 1703 FIDE, what's wrong with you and your humility? Cool you are 1600 and something on chess.com good for you,does that mean you can create topics saying that e4 is refuted(when it clearly isn't) and someone who doesn't play here too often can't comment and disagree? Humility please one thing that all chess players need."
The top two women (Judit and Hou) also play 1.e4 exclusively, and you can add Malakhov, Sutovsky and Vallejo Pons to close the league of 2700+ players who maily open with 1.e4. Of course there are more 2700+ players who have 1.e4 in their opening arsenal, including the top rated player, and the World Champion.
Verdict: 1.e4 is not refuted, yet...
e4 is easily refuted by the french