@ChesswithNickolay Please share the London System refutation. It is crucial for me to know as a LS player.
Why did Magnus play 1. d4 with 2. Nf3 move order?
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Mar 5, 2022
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#24
ChesswithNickolay wrote:
Okay, I will show you then.
Unfortunately, the other London's can't be punished, or at least can't be considered properly refuted.
That's your idea of a refutation? An equal position where white has multiple options to keep equality based on his own personal tastes: 3.e3 and 3.e4
Please log off from the forum and ask your coach what the word "refuted" means before you post again.
Mar 6, 2022
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#25
indeed. 1. d4, 2. Nf3 is Not an exotic way of entering a Colle or London, but as others have mentioned; a way to avoid a Nimzo and other certain opening stemming from 2. c4. For me, I can enter a Colle, Stonewall Attack, Torre Attack while still being able to straight up play any QG Declined or Accepted if play goes that way.
Mar 6, 2022
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#26
(technically, I have been playing this particular move order for over 20+, now Officially for 30 years ever since I read and studied Kasparov's use of this move order).
Mar 8, 2022
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#27
quicksmurfer wrote:
Nerwal wrote:
Against 1. d4 2. c4 Caruana often plays the Nimzo and mainly d5 systems against Nf3 lines. This was a way for Carlsen to get what he wanted - Queen's Gambit and no Nimzo - while giving him the opportunity to deviate if Caruana doesn't play 2... d5 straight away and go for 2... e6 or something more exotic.
I guess, but can't you still avoid the Nimzo with 2. c4? Just play 3. Nf3 and maybe you might have to deal with more options like the Queen's Indian or the Benoni, but given Caruana's usual openings, it is still very likely to end in the QGD.
But maybe he wants to play 3.c4 against 2...d5 and 3.Bg5 or 3.Bf4 or 3.e3 against 2...e6 (avoiding the Queen's Indian proper and Bogo-Indian - 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 or 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 Bb4+)
GMs do not play only 1 opening like lowly amateurs do. Caruana could change up and play the Bogo.
Back on topic, we know why Magnus played 4. Nc3 after 1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 d5 3. c4 e6 and this was done mainly for reasons related to match strategy. According to Fressinet, he played it precisely because although it's the main move, in the context of a match, it was unlikely to appear given how many different lines Black can choose after this (Tarrasch, Vienna, Ragozin, classical QG...). This was to send a message at the start of the match : we're ready to play main lines and we're prepared on many of them, so please check all your analysis files before every game. This was done in order to tire Caruana a bit by forcing him to do extra work between games.