Nakamura also plays it well, and he's in the top ten in the world. I know I mentioned him earlier, but it's well worth repeating. For some reason people who have never played him seem to give him little respect.
Why does the dutch hase so low wining history
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SmyslovFan wrote:
Nakamura also plays it well, and he's in the top ten in the world. I know I mentioned him earlier, but it's well worth repeating. For some reason people who have never played him seem to give him little respect.
i really want to be Naka fan because im totally crazy for japan, but i always got unlucky with the games i watched. Once he played the stonewall against a GM and his opponent was up a pawn in an endgame, entirely winning i believe (but maybe my memory is flawed and i couldnt judge the position) and his opponent just gave the pawn away for no reason at all, totally blundering. Man i really want to be Nakamura fan but whenever im watching him, i only get to see the lemons.
We are all patzers, and we don't know **** really. We can't prove openings are bad, and we get beaten in the middlegame. Pfren is probably the only here that can maintain a slight advantage, for white, for a LONG time, but even he makes his fair share of innaccuracies and mistakes in the middlegame.
Even if the dutch is slightly weaker than common and well known openings, it doesn't mean much if your opponent doesnt understand it either. Same thing goes for the benoni, and other "unpreferable" openings in which white is supposed to have a small advantage (bs fo us).
It's okay for U2400 imo.
Randomemory wrote:
We are all patzers, and we don't know **** really. We can't prove openings are bad, and we get beaten in the middlegame. Pfren is probably the only here that can maintain a slight advantage, for white, for a LONG time, but even he makes innaccuracies and mistakes in the middlegame. Even if the dutch is slightly weaker than common and well known openings, it doesn't mean much if your opponent doesnt understand it either. Same thing goes for the benoni, and other "unpreferable" openings in which white is supposed to have a small advantage (bs fo us).
thats what i dont understand, white has always a slight advance. So if the Dutch is not refuted how can it be bad??
TetsuoShima wrote:
Randomemory wrote:
We are all patzers, and we don't know **** really. We can't prove openings are bad, and we get beaten in the middlegame. Pfren is probably the only here that can maintain a slight advantage, for white, for a LONG time, but even he makes innaccuracies and mistakes in the middlegame. Even if the dutch is slightly weaker than common and well known openings, it doesn't mean much if your opponent doesnt understand it either. Same thing goes for the benoni, and other "unpreferable" openings in which white is supposed to have a small advantage (bs fo us).
thats what i dont understand, white has always a slight advance. So if the Dutch is not refuted how can it be bad??
It has a bad reputation because of what is stated in post #23. That, and the overglorified wins that patzers like us claim, when they squeal when crushed the dutch because of a simple tactic.
But yeah, these days, a slight advantage is a slight advantage...no one really can take advantage of it unless you know what you are doing.
I've studied the Dutch a lot. It's a defence that (unless your opponent has no clue) relies on precise move orders and the timing of your pawn breaks to equalise. There are also a lot of decent anti-Dutch systems and a huge amount of theory to learn if you want to play it optimally.
These days I prefer to get into it only occasionally via the semi-slav when White has already committed his bishop to d3 (no kingside fianchetto to worry about) - pop your N on f6 into e4 and then f5 to support it - then look for a very quick e5 break...
SmyslovFan wrote:
Nakamura also plays it well, and he's in the top ten in the world. I know I mentioned him earlier, but it's well worth repeating. For some reason people who have never played him seem to give him little respect.
i have great respect for him he toughet me that chess is about tactics not material the mean has great games white awsome tacticle tricks
skakmadurinn wrote:
Because it's not the best opening.
there is no best oppening it's up to taste
BTP_Excession wrote:
These days I prefer to get into it only occasionally via the semi-slav when White has already committed his bishop to d3 (no kingside fianchetto to worry about) - pop your N on f6 into e4 and then f5 to support it - then look for a very quick e5 break...
Probably a matter of taste, but actually I LOVE playing as white those slavs/ semi-slavs where white has committed an early e2-e3, and Black has opted for a Stonewall formation. White can always press for a win with minimal risk.
The Dutch ? Not viable ? Seriously ?
Yet, a 2700+ patzer played it last year (link). (Oh yes, against a 2600+ patzer, but I doubt he just wanted to have fun).
(this was found in 30s search, I doubt it is an isolated case).
Irontiger wrote:
The Dutch ? Not viable ? Seriously ?
Yet, a 2700+ patzer played it last year (link). (Oh yes, against a 2600+ patzer, but I doubt he just wanted to have fun).
(this was found in 30s search, I doubt it is an isolated case).
Factly, a 2700+ player (Nakamura) played it against a 2700+ player (Gelfand) and won.
And yes, this was "an isolated case". The win has absolutely nothing to do with the opening.
i also don't think the dutch is Not viable,first it creatse on unbalence position(makes game fun unlike something like the vienna),next it's not so risky and aggressive as the grunfeeld or albin counter gambit,controles the center with out accluy puting his pawns at it ,it's aggressive,the system don't work i see no draw back
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the question u r asking is easily answerable. The dutch opening probably has nothing wrong with it. The players just screwed up in the middle or endgame more as black.
"Cause you cannot survive with it at high level. It works well against
malaniuk is crazy though, ive seen so many games where he gets slaughtered in it, some great wins too but idk why he keeps using it.