why I don't play the Nimzo indian
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ajian
Dec 1, 2012
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#1
The Nimzo Indian is as good as any other opening if you know the lines to it. You played the opening fine (with the exception of moving your queen twice when you could have just moved it to c7 in the first place). Your mistake wasn't in the opening, it was in the middlegame when you let your oppnonent double his rooks on the file. Even then, there is still play left in the position. One last note, I recommend the Nc6 line instead of c5 against the Qc2 variation. Only novice players blame their losses on the opening itself
okay, just to make things clear, the whole point of playing ...Bxc5 without waiting for a3 is to play Qb6 and force e3, which blocks white's dark squared bishop. second, you can't stop the doubling of rooks on the d-file. lastly, Nc6 blocks the c-pawn, which is a vital advance to break up white's center. after Nf3, e4 is unstoppable in the long run
exactly, so if I see you play d6 I will not play e4 and will play e3 and a3 and after the breakthrough e5, d5 gives me an initiative on the queen side and a space advantage. by the way a3 also gives me a bishop pair. last note, QGD was the first d4 opening I studied. I know it very well, trust me. the real test of 1.d4 is the QGA. It is confusing even though in the end, for those who study it deeply, white probably turns out better. But that's just me.
Dec 1, 2012
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#5
Given your rating and # of games played I find it hard to believe that you know the QGD very well, and given by any of your comments on the NID you don't know it either.
I looked on a database for this opening. you are better than an opening database at openings?
Dec 2, 2012
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#7
I have to agree with RapidGeneralX, here is an online game i played recently with the Nimzo Indian. I played the c5 move against Qc2. I did use game explorer. It was 3 days a move.
NimzoIndian will be angry after seeing this post
Dec 2, 2012
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#9
Yes, a person with significant chess experience in an opening who has studied high-level games is better than a database at openings. Databases include a lot of garbage, and sometimes the most played move simply loses. A lot of correspondence players play lines specifically designed to lead players using databases into traps or refutations. After a line is refuted, it isn't played anymore at high levels, although it could still be the most popular line in the database with a good score for the side playing the refuted line.
Honestly, I would reccoment this line:
It has been known for quite some time that the f5/Ne4 lines give white an edge so it is not recommanded outside fast time control chess.
Dec 3, 2012
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#12
Think the line played by OP with two Queen moves is one of the recommended lines by Emms in "Nimzo Indian move by by move". Suggests 9...a6 instead of 9...Bb7 preventing Nb5 tricks. Then the idea is after 10Be2 Bb7 110.0 to continue with 11...Be7 and setup a typical hedgehog position with d6 then Nb-d7.
I like 4...c5.
The main line against the Qc2 variation is 4...Nc6 according to Chess Openings for Black Explained. The main line is the main line for a reason: because it has the best results. I recommend giving that line a try to anybody who is having trouble with the NID as black (after studying some theory and GM games of course).
Dec 3, 2012
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#15
Chess Openings for Black Explained is not a trustworthy source for good openings. 4...Nc6 is played less than 5% of the time in my database. The main line is 4...O-O (played just under half the time) followed by 4...c5 and then 4...d5.
Estragon wrote:
Strange how some kids with no real experience get a database or a book and think they are experts on an opening.
The fact is that in the last several years, 3 Nf3 has been played more often than 3 Nc3 at the master level, and that isn't because the Nimzoindian is so weak. Those numbers don't include the pure Catalan, either, the popularity of which rebounded as GMs found it ever tougher to get an meaningful advantage vs the NID.
Just out of curiosity, who here plays the bogo indian against the Nf3 line? or do you transpose into a QID? I prefer the QID, but that's just my personal preference.
Dec 3, 2012
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#17
@OP : this variation (4.Qc2 c5) is very difficult to play for Black (not bad, but difficult). You may find the main lines with 4...0-0 a bit easier to navigate.
In the variation you quote, I was wondering about 12...d5 (this is the move Black really wants to get in), with the idea 13.cxd5 Nb4 ?
Dec 4, 2012
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#18
Certainly looks better than 12...d6 which leaves Bc5 awful. It was last chance for 12...a6 too, but OP seemed to be going to great pains to avoid that move.
Dec 5, 2012
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#19
Yes it is a typical thing done in Reps to save time and effort, but you are not necessarily playing the best lines that take more work to master. In both cases white has good chances getting a better than normal opening advantage by playing lines that aim to show Nc6 is misplaced. In the bogoIndian if black can acheive aim of d6 followed by e5 without playing nc6 should do so.
hicetnunc wrote:
@OP : this variation (4.Qc2 c5) is very difficult to play for Black (not bad, but difficult). You may find the main lines with 4...0-0 a bit easier to navigate.
In the variation you quote, I was wondering about 12...d5 (this is the move Black really wants to get in), with the idea 13.cxd5 Nb4 ?
cxd5 exd5/...Nxd5 Nxd5 exd5 gives an isolated queen pawn to black, and I don't think you can attack with it. also 13..Nb5 is very annoying. I think 12...d6 was a mistake Nb5 still is annoying. and withidrawing the knight to d7 looks risky, because the b2 bishop looks pretty dangerous pointing at g7. by the way, 12...d5 13. Nb5 Nb4 loses a pawn to Qxh7+!! kxh7 Nxc7