This is called the Chigorin variation.
No idea if it's ok or not.
Why is Bishop to f4 a bad move?
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This is called the Chigorin variation.
No idea if it's ok or not.
May 11, 2017
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#4
Baadur Jobava plays it quite often. I have never played it, but dont see why 3.Bf4 isnt good?
In 187 games on 365chess.com white has a very nice win percentage
| 40.1 % | 30.5 % | 29.4 % |
May 11, 2017
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#5
i don't think it's bad. i just think there are a lot better openings to play.
Do not confuse “not the mainline” or “not the best move” with “being bad.” In virtually every opening, and many middlegame and even endgame positions, there a host of good, normal, logical moves, and it’s rare to say definitely that one move is best.
The idea of Nc3 and Bf4 develops two pieces to likely their best squares, and therefore the opening cannot be bad. On the downside, it places absolutely no pressure on Black, who can respond any way he wants. For that reason, this opening likely isn’t ‘the best’ objectively, but it’s far from bad.
As someone with a 1200 rated, it is absolutely fine for you. You are developing, controlling the centre, putting pieces on good squares … what more can you ask in just three moves?
Do bear in mind, tough, that there is a loud minority of players that hate London setups, which this Nc3/Bf4 configuration resembles. They will moan and complain, especially if they lose. If these people say the opening is bad, ignore them. They are simple upset that virtually everyone plays the London nowadays.
May 11, 2017
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#8
SmithyQ wrote:
Do not confuse “not the mainline” or “not the best move” with “being bad.” In virtually every opening, and many middlegame and even endgame positions, there a host of good, normal, logical moves, and it’s rare to say definitely that one move is best.
The idea of Nc3 and Bf4 develops two pieces to likely their best squares, and therefore the opening cannot be bad. On the downside, it places absolutely no pressure on Black, who can respond any way he wants. For that reason, this opening likely isn’t ‘the best’ objectively, but it’s far from bad.
As someone with a 1200 rated, it is absolutely fine for you. You are developing, controlling the centre, putting pieces on good squares … what more can you ask in just three moves?
Do bear in mind, tough, that there is a loud minority of players that hate London setups, which this Nc3/Bf4 configuration resembles. They will moan and complain, especially if they lose. If these people say the opening is bad, ignore them. They are simple upset that virtually everyone plays the London nowadays.
Well said!
May 11, 2017
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#9
dpnorman wrote:
It's not
Come on, are U not tired to exaggerate ?!? 
It's as good as any fundamental Queen's Pawn game. 
May 11, 2017
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#10
mickynj wrote:
Who considers it a bad move. It develops a piece and influences the center, how could it be bad? Who told you it was? It may not be the most commonly played move, but it's fine
+1
May 11, 2017
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#13
jengaias wrote:
Yigor wrote:
First played by Ragozin: https://www.chess.com/games/view/66173
Ragozin plays a London system with his knight at c3.
That is not the point of the system
The original Jobava is with 4.f3 and following with g4-h4.
Ragozin's 4.e3 against 3...Bf5 is not Jobava attack..
All right. Actually, I answered OP. I had no intention to attribute the Jobava attack to Ragozin. 
Yigor wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
It's not
Come on, are U not tired to exaggerate ?!? It's as good as any fundamental Queen's Pawn game.
It's not a bad move.
May 11, 2017
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#15
dpnorman wrote:
Yigor wrote:
dpnorman wrote:
It's not
Come on, are U not tired to exaggerate ?!? It's as good as any fundamental Queen's Pawn game.
It's not a bad move.
Ah okay, sorry, I misunderstood your answer.
May 11, 2017
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#16
BobbyTalparov: Chigorin would disagree with U concerning the primordiality of c4 in all QP games.
May 11, 2017
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#17
I wouldn't go into this as white myself, actually I wouldn't even play knight c3 before that move, but I don't think it's a bad move at all.
May 11, 2017
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#18
Göring-Franke (1877, 1-0) is the first historical appearance of Chigorin variation 2. Nc3 in this database:
https://www.chess.com/games/view/1911
May 11, 2017
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#19
I was just curious. I'm generally interested in first historical appearance of openings.
Below is the opening, you may ignore black's knight movement (I just had to make a move for black to get a legal PGN from standard start).
Why is it considered bad?
Do you know a name for this opening (so that I can get more info)?
thx.