why is ruy lopez considered the strongest

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TheOldReb
136. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 102 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C45 Scotch Game
137. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0 40 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match D85 Grunfeld
138. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0 44 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E92 King's Indian
139. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 84 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
140. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 41 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
141. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 24 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E92 King's Indian
142. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 57 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
143. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 37 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
144. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0 29 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E87 King's Indian, Samisch, Orthodox
145. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 41 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C45 Scotch Game
146. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 33 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match D85 Grunfeld
147. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 36 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E92 King's Indian
148. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 44 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
149. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 43 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
150. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 39 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match

E92 King's Indian

151. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 57 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
152. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 37 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
153. Karpov vs Kasparov 1-0 29 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E87 King's Indian, Samisch, Orthodox
154. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 41 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C45 Scotch Game
155. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 33 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match D85 Grunfeld
156. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 36 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E92 King's Indian
157. Kasparov vs Karpov 1-0 44 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
158. Kasparov vs Karpov ½-½ 43 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match C92 Ruy Lopez, Closed
159. Karpov vs Kasparov ½-½ 39 1990 Kasparov - Karpov World Championship Match E92 King's Indian
TheOldReb

HHmmmm,    can I call " slippets"  ?  

bigpoison
Ziryab wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

basically reb...the lesson here is that if i just want to discuss chess...you should probably just discuss chess. dont make yourself become my mental outlet. im much smarter than you and will always make you look very dumb which isnt good for your coaching career.

I've interacted with Reb for six years or more on this site. I have no idea how smart he is. When someone starts talking about their own intelligence or their "mental outlet," however, I have a good start.

Zing!  And this from a guy who claims he has no sense of humor!

Game_of_Pawns
Reb wrote:

In the 1990 WC match between Karpov and Kasparov that FOS brings up to show that Kasparov played the Scotch with success its interesting that he played the scotch twice in this match , winning once and drawing once . He also played the Ruy in 8 games winning 4 of them !  The match is also interesting in that neither player lost with white and Karpov didnt play 1 e4 a single game while Kasparov played only 1 e4  in the match .  

I see three wins from eight games in the Spanish...

Game_of_Pawns
Fiveofswords wrote:
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
Fiveofswords wrote:

there was no theoretical discussion in this thread. reb didnt care to try any detail about how white must get a better position in the ruy than from other openings...didnt want to try that with me. preferred to just go straight to ad hominem. so whatever expertise they are supposed to have is concealed at the very least

I completely agree with this, but you can't deny having said that you think you know more about chess.

and i completely believe it. but its not in anyway related to my argument about the values of different openings

No it isn't, but in repsonse to "Nothing wrong with being class B, but insulting strong experts and titled players and thinking you know more about chess than they do is a bit ridiculous..." you said "they insulted me...and they were being stupid. i questioned their intelligence not their study of chess." just a few minutes ago.

lolurspammed

What if said expert were to lose to said class B player in a challenge?

TheOldReb
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
Reb wrote:

In the 1990 WC match between Karpov and Kasparov that FOS brings up to show that Kasparov played the Scotch with success its interesting that he played the scotch twice in this match , winning once and drawing once . He also played the Ruy in 8 games winning 4 of them !  The match is also interesting in that neither player lost with white and Karpov didnt play 1 e4 a single game while Kasparov played only 1 e4  in the match .  

I see three wins from eight games in the Spanish...

I checked again ( put my glasses on this time ) and you are right !  Sorry , he only won 3 with the Ruy and once with the Scotch . 

Game_of_Pawns

Just an FYI, I edited my last post just slightly so it was a little more readable, apparently after you quoted it. Also note that I was quoting Hicetnunc. I am confused by your answer though. I believe that the expert and master referred to in the quote are TF and Reb.

Game_of_Pawns

That's a better reply!

SmyslovFan

5oS keeps digging deeper.

 

Reb has proven his playing strength repeatedly over the board. 5oS has shown in the only tournament he entered recently that he didn't believe himself capable of competing against experts  and masters for his state's championship, and instead swam in the shallow end with others rated u1800.

TheOldReb
Fiveofswords wrote:

what on earth are you trying to say now reb? the scotch didnt perform as well as the ruy in that match?

With your great intellect you cant figure out what I am saying ?!  Oh my ... Ok , I will draw you a picture : The FACT that Kasparov played the Ruy 4x as much as the Scotch in his WC match against Karpov is a very clear indication that he believes the Ruy is superior to the Scotch , the FACT that he has also played the RUY 5x as much as the Scotch in his career indicates the same . In this particular match the Scotch was more successful for him as he scored 1.5/2 ... clearly a better % than what he scored with the RUY .  Would that % have held up if he had played the Scotch 8 games ?  I doubt it as Karpov would have been better prepared in later games for it . 

lolurspammed

5oS scored 4/5 in U2000 which isn't bad at all. Losing only to a 1900+ player.

TheOldReb

FOS , you gonna play a tourney in another 4 years or so ?  

VLaurenT
Fiveofswords wrote:
Reb wrote:

FOS , you gonna play a tourney in another 4 years or so ?  

probably not. im starting to think tournament players just arent much fun to be around

See ? Wink

lolurspammed

Tournament chess is fun, going to big state tournaments with chess friends is a blast for me. Also I had a great time at the Chicago Open, although my wallet didn't.

lolurspammed

You must live in a rude state. People here are much nicer after losing than the chess.com community. Of course there's going to be freaks that show up at tournaments, but as chess players we must accept that some of us are what people would call "betas", and many insane ppl show up to play.

bigpoison

On the whole, folks in Georgia are much less rude than those from the Great Lakes states.

'course that's just my own experience. 

It's real tough to be productive without leaving the house.

Pulpofeira

Well, Scotch is not the Ruy but is sound, the Grob isn't.

Ziryab
Reb wrote:
Game_of_Pawns wrote:
Reb wrote:

In the 1990 WC match between Karpov and Kasparov that FOS brings up to show that Kasparov played the Scotch with success its interesting that he played the scotch twice in this match , winning once and drawing once . He also played the Ruy in 8 games winning 4 of them !  The match is also interesting in that neither player lost with white and Karpov didnt play 1 e4 a single game while Kasparov played only 1 e4  in the match .  

I see three wins from eight games in the Spanish...

I checked again ( put my glasses on this time ) and you are right !  Sorry , he only won 3 with the Ruy and once with the Scotch . 

As noted above, smart people admit when they are wrong. NOW, I do have some idea how smart Reb is: he is much smarter than FOS.

bigpoison

It's very apparent.  It's, very likely, at the root of your unhappiness.