Why is the Gruenfeld Defense not more popular?

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TheGreatOogieBoogie
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

Very popular, but extremely hard to memorize. Basically, if you are not prepared to spend a few hours before each game revising variations, you had better not try it...

The Grunfeld isn't too hard to memorize (now memorizing so many trees 20 moves deep is another thing, memorizing two or so isn't bad).  I rather play chess than memory so I opt for the Queen's Indian and when I am in the mood for memory go with the Leningrad Dutch instead.  I'm particularly fond of ...Qe8 systems with the idea of pushing the e-pawn, where white usually captures en passant and I recapture with a Na6-Nc5-Nxe6 and sometime even a Bxe6. 

bean_Fischer
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:

I went over your game Bean, hope you didn't mind. It's quite a good game, but you could have played on and gone for the win.  There were some sensitive spots with only moves where you could have thrown it away however so agreeing to a draw was somewhat reasonable.


Oops, said pass at the end when I meant push lol! Also meant attacker push the g-pawn obviously. 

Thanks brother for a very good analysis. I really appreciate it. The reason I opted for a draw was I had more than 100 online games. And I thought the rooks would be exchanged, leaving Q+K+P vs Q+K+P end game that ended mostly in draw.

For this game I didn't look up in game explorer. My analysis is only 5-6 moves deep at most.

Thank you, brother.

KhaosTheory
TheGreatOogieBoogie wrote:
bean_Fischer wrote:

This is my favorite openings that I play more than anything vs 1. d4. My result is 50-50 against 1600+, and more wins vs lower ratings.

Do you think it's easy to play it as white? It's not. NM already said Anand has played it vs Topalov.

Sicilian has much more theory than Gruenfeld. If Sicilian had 6 volumes, Gruenfeld would have only 2 volumes. But ppl like Sicilian without knowing that it's the most theoretical play.

The difference is the Sicilian is dynamic, exciting, and richly imbalanced whereas the Grunfeld feels... dull. 

The difference is sicilian is e4 and grunfeld is d4.


People like the Sicilian for reasons i cannot understand...

bean_Fischer

Now my stats for Gruenfeld as Black (W-L-D) :

Total 126 games : 54 - 58 - 14 (42.9 % - 46 % - 11 %)

1. variation A 47 games: 16 - 24- 7

2. variation B 34 Games : 16 - 13 - 5

3. C 25 games : 11 - 12 - 2

4. D 7 games :  4 - 3 - 0

5. E 6 games : 1 -  5 - 0

6. F 2 games : 2 -0 -0

7. G, H, I, J 1 game each : 1 - 0 -0

8. K 1 game : 0 -1 - 0

mohan_godbole

 I too like Gruenfeld while playing black. Two pawns on Q side against one is a good advantage for black !

plutonia
varelse1 wrote:

The Exchange used to be the most popular choice for white back in the 80's at Grandmaster level. Was suggested it may actually refute the Gruenfeld. As a result, few masters played the Gruenfeld then.

Today, many GMs play the Gruenfeld with black. And almost no GM's use the exchange anymore.

Does anybody know why?

No idea, but the considerations of GMs are not really relevant for us.

The exchange limits black's options so it makes it easier to prepare for white. As white players, we don't want to get into too much intricated theory because we can assume that the defender will be better prepared (i.e. he plays that every d4 game, we do that only a fraction of times).

This consideration does not apply to a professional player of course, but if you have a full time job I wouldn't go into too much effort just to bust 1 defence out of a dozen. Unless you play it as black as well, of course.