Why isn't this opening played more often? Can an experienced player answer?
I'm probably not the best one to answer your post, because my opening theory isn't all that strong. However I'll risk an opinion. I think this opening looks solid. Maybe the drawback is that it may be a little "passive"; seing as how black has lots of options to play. Another thing against queenside fianchetos maybe that the b3 pawn blocks the d1-a4 diagonal for the queen; and that diagonal is specially important once you push c4. Nonetheless, it IS a positional opening and it seemes to put a lot of pressure on black's kingside castle; which is the way black will castle 90% of the time.
I'll have to try this one to see how it works out.
isnt so hard when you have databases an analysis bots doing all the work for you. it is not even a game of minds any more it is becoming a game of silicon. I do not like the lameness in draws because computers cant beat another computer. they are not masters anymore just the same type of people that could beat you in the arcades earlier in life because they found the bugs and flaws in the computer and use cheat codes to get an easily passed game. I t is a waste of our time and theirs as well because it didnt come from their mind it came from a bots mind. In essence they are an extention of their computer, that and nothing more.
grim reaper, I'm not so sure how computers have made openings like this useless or exposed their flaws. I versed fritz against itself a couple of times using this one and it isn't like white loses everytime from some flaw. Agent 86, the thing is, no matter what white picks black has a huge disposal of tools and defenses. Think of e4! Caro-khan, french, epine dorsal, sicilain, 1...Nf6, etc etc. This is no different. Hrolf suggested a queen's gambit type set up. I'll show you how to tackle this as white:
It's daunting, and my king died a good five times before I learned how to tackle such a strong center. The key is a d4 break, opposed to the c4 breaks in the other setups.
If anyone is interested in this opening, please give me a message or leave a note. The opening is a lot of fun and a good way to throw opponents off who have never encountered anything like it. If we had five people with chess engines and a little creativity, we could divide up and analyze each of black's setups and then swap lines.
The bird seems to expose white's king in some lines, where as this opening keeps white's king very safe. The f4 is unnessecary because white already has excellent control of e5 anyway. Often I reinforce that control with f4 after the knight on f3 moves. I considered using the bird, but I like the solid defensive style of this one. It seems safer. F4 does prevent black from playing d6 then e5, which is a whole other approach white has to be ready for with this one. after 1..d6 though, 2. e5 should give white a strong opening though.
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i agree with omicron [1st comment]
there are some players who like defending with closed game for them in the opening and counter atack in the middle game .
+why this opening reminds me hipo's opening??? :S
After 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 c5 think it is more accurate to play 3.e3 so can respond to 3...f6 4.d4. After 3.Bb2 f6 can find yourself on wrong end of a Petrosian v Fischer game, which was not a phleasant experience for white.
Finding 1.Nf3 followed by b3 very popular in Denmark where they like following their Nimzo, and Larsen. When playing all out for win play 1.Nf3 g6 heading for an agressive english with e5, and f5 if they don't want to play an KID. This gives them something to think about. Normally would play 1.Nf3 d5 2.b3 Bg4 which is very solid for both sides. White can play Queen's Indian moves.
Bye John S
Let's see if what you say is true Gonnosuke. I just looked up 1. Nf3 d5 2. b5 on chessgames.com and found that overall white wins 36.3% of the time, draws 33.8% and loses 29.9%. This must opening must confer some advantage if white wins 7% more of the time. But searching one move deeper is interesting though. The following charts lists the move, the number of games in the database, and the win percentages.
| 2...Nf6 | 313 |
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| 2...Bg4 | 146 |
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| 2...c5 | 137 |
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| 2...Bf5 | 37 |
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| 2...c6 | 16 |
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| 2...e6 | 12 |
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| 2...Nc6 | 5 |
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| 2...f6 | 4 |
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| 2...g6 | 4 |
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| 2...Nd7 | G Fontein vs J Van Den Bosch, 1930 1/2-1/2 | |||||
Interesting. Lets start with 2...c5. It looks like white is getting walloped right? Wrong. After 2... c5:
| 3. e3 | 107 |
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| 3. Bb2 | 43 |
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| 3. g3 | 2 |
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| 3. c4 | 2 |
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| 3. e4 | G Rigo vs M Vasilev, 2001 0-1 | |||||
As long as white plays 3. e3 he is in the clear.
What about 2...Bg4? it looks like it also gives white problems.
| 3. Bb2 | 96 |
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| 3. e3 | 56 |
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| 3. g3 | 6 |
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| 3. Ne5 | 5 |
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| 3. d4 | 2 |
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This is definately a sharper reply, but it seems like e3, and g3 both work for an even game. And really, how many people are going to learn an opening this obscure? 1. Nf3 d5 2. b3 Bg4? No one other than someone planning to play it as white.
All the other ones accept for the obscure ones offer white a clear advantage. It looks like I'm going to have to disagree with you Gonosuke. This opening doesn't appear to give up all advantage as long as white is cautious not to put the bishop on b2 too early.
BTW against a black kingside fianchetto, apparently white can fianchetto both bishops for a good game.
Umm 1.Nf3 d5 2. b3 Bg4 isn't really obscure. It is recommend in Kaufmann's book The advantage in Black and white, or something similar, and played by Keres, Shirov etc. For people with a GGD\Slav rep d5, followed by Bg4 is a sound way of meeting several off-beat white openings.
One way black can try to liven up game is 3.e3 Nd7 4.Bb2 BxN 5.QxB e5 with some sort of reversed Trop. Otherwise, black can just develop normally with Nf6,e6,Bd6 etc.