I often play the Scotch Goering Gambit (double pawn sack) in bullet and blitz. It gives white great attacking opportunities. If black's not careful, he can get into trouble quickly.
Why not the Scotch?
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What do we make of the Scotch gambit? I play it a lot (other websites mostly and live) and whilst I k ow is technically a risk, I get a great amount of practical chances AND as a novice player it helps me learn tactical ideas.
That said, I can't help feeling like a lot of my wins are cheap traps and patterns familiar to me and not my opponents- and I'm not sure it's helping me learn.
That said, I can't help feeling like a lot of my wins are cheap traps and patterns familiar to me and not my opponents- and I'm not sure it's helping me learn.
the scotch gambit just usually transposes into 2 knights lines, so no real independant value.
Although i agree, it is perfectly playable, and I my self played it up to 2000 level and sometimes more.
But there is nothing in common with the real scotch opening.
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DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
I could type openings that keep the edge for white if played properly all day... Giuoco Pianissimo, Russian game: classical attack, Three knights variation of the Vienna game, QGD slav/semi-slav, English: Anglo-Indian, lots of lines of the sicilian... and I'm just saying classic ones.
Chess is concrete lines , not unfounded claims. Show me the line that gives advantage for white in Italian.In the last Sinquefield cup Anand , Caruana,MVL and Nakamura failed to prove an opening advantage. Obviously you can.Show us!
I said the giuoco pianissimo on my comment. Anyway you seem to don't even understand what I'm saying so no point on replying you.
I said that the scotch equalizes becouse d5 on that position is not the best move by far. Obviously you can still win but you are giving black a higher chance of wining (we are talking about playing perfect or almost).
THANK YOU, SICILIAN REFUTATION KID.
Stop quoting, idiots
congrandolor wrote:
Stop quoting, idiots
Why?
HorribleTomato wrote:
congrandolor wrote:
Stop quoting, idiots
Why?
My thumb hurts when I have to scroll down for minutes. Sorry for quoting aswell
I have touch screen. Not a problem here!
There is nothing wrong with the Scotch maybe even at any level, but certainly not at the level of anyone posting on a site like this...
HEY are you referring to me? I MADE THIS WHEN I WAS AN 1100 USCF DON'T JUDGE OK?
congrandolor wrote:
HorribleTomato wrote:
congrandolor wrote:
Stop quoting, idiots
Why?
My thumb hurts when I have to scroll down for minutes. Sorry for quoting aswell
Yep #quoting
because white ruy lopez is much stronger opening and because black equalizes easily
.3 stronger
I play scotch... hello!!
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
DeirdreSkye wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken wrote:
poucin wrote:
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pfren wrote:
Alltheusernamestaken έγραψε:
You have achieved nothing, why would you give up your initial advantage this easy?
Opening theory on the Scotch just starts after 8...Ba6 or 8...Nb6. There is a hell of a lot to know after that, with either color.
Black has a nice, active position, but also a slightly broken pawn structure- and if he does not follow up with a consistent plan, the resulting endgames aren't particularly pleasant.
Which means, that by playing the Scotch, white has achieved more than nothing- e.g. provoking some ignorant comments.
Yeah that's why you see it so often on top level huh?
Anyway you can call me ignorant all you want but I have played it with white and I always go for the intermezzo variation as black.
Indeed u are ignorant...
At top level, they play sometimes the scotch, especially Nepomniachtchi.
I wonder why he continues to play it regularly, but i guess these top players are patzers and don't understand/know this opening as much as you.
Hahahaha I'm not sure if you are good at it but I can tell you both are good at using ad hominems.
I just made a little bit of research and found this: 'Popular in the 19th century, by 1900 the Scotch had lost favour among top players because it was thought to release the central tension too early and allow Black to equalise without difficulty' so it turns out that I was right
A small advice . If you try to learn chess from wikipedia you rather justify those who call you ignorant.
Scotch is played today by many 2500-2600 players.Players like Sergey Rublevsky and Dusko Pavasovic had it(still have it) as their main opening.
While the only thing you understand is a meaningless theoretical evaluation(Black indeed equalises) in Scotch it is hardly relevant. Rublevsky has an amazing 63.82% with average rating of opponents 2614.03. Scotch is as effective as any other opening but it is risky and we live in the era of safe chess. 9 out of the top 10 players have 1...e5 as their main response and 7 of them use Berlin regularly(among them 2 world champions and one challenger). It's only a matter of fashion and that might change. It has nothing to do with equality( for those who don't study chess from wikipedia).
And by the way 4.Bb5 in 4 knights doesn't transpose to Ruy Lopez Berlin. It is 4 knights game main line since the dawn of time with 2 codes in Encyclopedia of chess openings , one for the symmetrical response (4....Bb4) and one for all the others.Every time you see Bb5 it's not Ruy.
I think that 'advices' like that rather make you seem ignorant as it's obviously impossible to learn chess by using wikipidea, I just found it by searching on google.
I said that it trasnposes into a Ruy Lopez: Berlin Defense where white has played Nc3 becouse it's a mediocre move if white is playing the Ruy Lopez (as black equalizes).
And the fact that you tell me someone who has good stats with it doesn't matter as he is a 2650+ player and you can win with a opening that's not the best just by knowing more theory and being more familiar with it. There are also grandmasters wining with the Pirc, slav, KID... even though those are not the best openings.
If someone who is 2600 player can have over 60% against players also rated 2600 that means the opening is perfectly fine. Not better but not worst either. This is common sense that you won't find in wikipedia.
Pirc, Slav, and KID are the best because there are no better. All the other reasonable openings are not worst , but not better either. Each and every one of them is the best , each one for its own reasons. Or you can say they are all equally good and there is no best which seems to be more accurate.
Dude I just said that the scotch gives away white's small advantage wich is true. Obviously you can win with it but there are openings that try to keep the edge.
Read this
I could type openings that keep the edge for white if played properly all day... Giuoco Pianissimo, Russian game: classical attack, Three knights variation of the Vienna game, QGD slav/semi-slav, English: Anglo-Indian, lots of lines of the sicilian... and I'm just saying classic ones.
Nobody doubted your ability to type, sir.