Why would you play dutch in the first place?

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qpau

There is probably nothing good about the dutch... seriously, people probably play the dutch because they want to lose... I don't understnad it at all. Pls help me

 

cdzim

yeah, who plays it?

FizzyBand

I don't think the Dutch is outright refuted but the fact is that White just has so many ways to get a clean edge after d4...f5 such as Bg5, g3, Nf3, c4 and even some crazy lines with a quick e4 or h4-h5.

I think the soundest way to play the Dutch is d4 e6! c4 f5 (and then Black can pick between the Stonewall and Simon Williams' favorite Classical. ofc White can still get a slight edge there, just not as much. This allows the French transposition, but I think it is a good decision for the sake of practicality and soundness (1.d4...f5?! gives White TONS of aggressive and solid options, after which Black needs to be extremely accurate to get equality (and often not even that)

sndeww
 

I have played the Dutch on occasion, but it's not an opening where you want to lose. It's an opening for when you have nothing to lose.

FrogCDE

OK, as a Dutch player: one reason to play Dutch is that so many White players think they can crush it and overextend themselves trying to do so. Those who do don't usually understand it very well. They think it weakens the Black kingside and that's where they should attack. Actually, in most Dutch lines White's chances are on the queenside, and it's Black that gets the kingside attack.

BlindThief
cdzim wrote:

yeah, who plays it?

 

Carlsen, Alekhine, Morphy, Botvinnik, among others

 

FrogCDE wrote:

OK, as a Dutch player: one reason to play Dutch is that so many White players think they can crush it and overextend themselves trying to do so. Those who do don't usually understand it very well. They think it weakens the Black kingside and that's where they should attack. Actually, in most Dutch lines White's chances are on the queenside, and it's Black that gets the kingside attack.

 

What this guy said. Yeah, playing your f-pawn is considered "bad." However, top players know what to look out for and how to counter the weaknesses it creates (examples Nf6, g6, Bg7, 0-0). Simply put, white cannot get an attack going on the kingside fast enough to counter black's immediate light-square weakness (queen/bishop to h5 is blocked by g6 or taken by a knight on f6). 

king5minblitz119147

The main reason for playing the dutch is to play for an unbalanced position, in my opinion. It is always risky but that's the trade off. If you want to win, you have to risk losing in the process. Unbalanced positions increase both winning and losing chances, exactly what you need when you have to win.

TrainerMeow

Is the Dutch Stonewall impeccable? No.

Is the Dutch so great as to offer Black easy equality? Not really.

Is the Dutch playable? Yes.

Is the Dutch fun to play? Absolutely.

pfren

The Dutch is just fine, regardless of what fools around the world are claiming.

Steven-ODonoghue

It's funny how random 1400s online think they know better than hundreds of years of grandmaster practice and engine evaluation.

qpau

I was just wondering, because when I do play the Dutch, I almost always end up losing.

cdzim

ok, I guess it's not an easy opening.

king5minblitz119147

You could instead study and play more straightforward openings where the strategy is simpler, and gradually move on to more complex ones later. There is the Queen's gambit declined with d5 e6 nf6 be7 00 and then black fights for the center with c5. It is pretty much playable against everything not 1 e4, with maybe some weird exceptions (I can't think of anything specific at the moment).

qpau

I play the spanish game a lot

sndeww
bdchess617 wrote:

I play the spanish game a lot

great input!! but unfortunately for you, this is the wrong thread.

Henson_Chess

MVL played a magnificent game with the Dutch Leningrad more than a decade ago. Chess.com's own Sam Copeland made a very good analysis in an article this year. 

https://www.chess.com/blog/SamCopeland/vachier-lagrave-sacs-exchange-queen-for-king-hunt-top-10-of-the-2000s-fontaine-vs-mvl-2007

qpau
SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:

I play the spanish game a lot

great input!! but unfortunately for you, this is the wrong thread.

I created this thread, so I POST what I WANT

sndeww
bdchess617 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:

I play the spanish game a lot

great input!! but unfortunately for you, this is the wrong thread.

I created this thread, so I POST what I WANT

off topic is off topic.

qpau
 SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:

I play the spanish game a lot

great input!! but unfortunately for you, this is the wrong thread.

I created this thread, so I POST what I WANT

off topic is off topic.

I know that, and chess openings are chess openings.

sndeww
bdchess617 wrote:
 SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:
SNUDOO wrote:
bdchess617 wrote:

I play the spanish game a lot

great input!! but unfortunately for you, this is the wrong thread.

I created this thread, so I POST what I WANT

off topic is off topic.

I know that, and chess openings are chess openings.

But this is about a specific chess opening. Which is the Dutch.