worst to best first move

  • #1

    what do you think is the worst first move 2nd worst first move 3rd worst.....................all the way to the best move here is mine

    20.f3

    19.Nh3

    18.Na3

    17.h4

    16.a4

    15.h3

    14.a3

    13.c3

    12.b4

    11.g4

    10.d3

    9.Nc3

    8.g3

    7.e3

    6.b3

    5.f4

    4.c4

    3.d4

    2.Nf3

    1.e4

  • #2

    20.f3

    19.h4

    18.g4

    17.a4

    16.h3

    15.Nh3

    14.c3

    13.d3

    12.b4

    11.f4

    10.Na3

    9.a3

    8.e3

    7.Nc3

    6.g3

    5.b3

    4.c4

    3.Nf3

    2.d4

    1.e4

    Top four so close they're practically tied.  White has no advantage in the Nimzo-Larsen but it's still a great way to get an off-beat yet sound game. 

  • #3

    I always found it strange people rate 1.c3 so low, surely it is better than h3/a3/na3, it will usually just become a colle or sort of reverse caroy thing

  • #4

    I dont like c3 because it doesn't'do anything beside get the queen out early wich is bad plus it remove the Nc3 square and h3 and a3 is a waiting move when you want to be black you can move your pawn to a3 or h3 so it pretty much don't do anything so your sorta black but for c3 you use the knight spot.

  • #5

    I would contest that 1.c3 is a more useful waiting move than 1.h3 and even 1.a3 in many cases.

    personally I would play 1.c3 all the time, if it wasn't for the fact I cant find a system I like with it against a Kings indian style setup.

  • #6

    ok fine i'll listen to you because your rating is 1773 how about you make a top 20 chart?

  • #7

    20.f3

    19.h4

    18.g4

    17.a4

    16.Nh3

    15.h3

    14.Na3

    13.b4

    12.a3

    11.Nc3

    10.c3

    9.d3

    8.f4

    7.e3

    6.g3

    5.b3

    4.c4

    3.Nf3

    2.e4

    1.d4

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  • #9

    20.f3

    19.g4

    18.h4

    17.a4

    16.Nh3

    15.Na3

    14.h3

    13.a3

    12.c3

    11.d3

    10.e3

    9.b4

    8.Nc3

    7.f4

    6.b3

    5.g3

    4.c4

    3.Nf3

    2.d4

    1.e4

    I wonder why you ranked c4 #12.

  • #10
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:

    1.d4??

    Theres nothing wrong with that. I would do that myself

    I find e4 better then d4

  • #11
    Otomun wrote:

    I wonder why you ranked c4 #12.

    whups I messed up c3 and c4

  • #12
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:

    1.d4??

    Theres nothing wrong with that. I would do that myself

    I find e4 better then d4

    Top level engines think d4 is better than e4. Its just a matter of preference

    1.d4 157
    56.7% 12.7% 30.6%
    1.e4 19
    57.9%   36.8%

    this is your stat you seem to win more using e4 but you do lose more using e4

  • #13

    I'd personally clump a number of moves together--like in backgammon theory, half a percentage point here or there doesn't convince me one option is notably better than another.  So this looks about right:

    1) d4/e4/Nf3/c4

    2) b3/g3

    3) f4

    4) e3/d3

    5) c3

    6) Nc3

    7) b4

    8) g4

    9) Nh3/Na3

    10) a3/h3

    11) a4/h4

    12) f3

  • #14

    I'd go for something like this

    20. f3

    19. g4

    18. h4

    17. a4

    16. Nh3

    15. Na3

    14. h3

    13. a3

    12. b4

    11. f4

    10. e3

    9. d3

    8. c3

    7. Nc3

    6. b3

    5. g3

    4. Nf3

    3. c4

    2. e4

    1. d4

     
  • #15

    I like pentiumjs's idea, but Nc3 is missing Tongue Out

  • #16

    thx for all your option I thought nobody would post anything.

  • #17

    In my list, I'd draw the line of "playable" as being the top 13.

  • #18
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:
    harryz wrote:
    Franklin31113 wrote:

    1.d4??

    Theres nothing wrong with that. I would do that myself

    I find e4 better then d4

    Top level engines think d4 is better than e4. Its just a matter of preference

    1.d4 157 56.7% 12.7% 30.6% 1.e419 57.9%   36.8%

    this is your stat you seem to win more using e4 but you do lose more using e4

    Its not very accurate, since I only have 19 games with me playing e4

    you should play 3 e4 games and 3 d4 games and see which one you win more at thats what i'm going to do

  • #19

    ok fine im going to try it you can do whatever you want.

  • #20

    20.h4

    19.a4

    18.h3

    17.a3

    16.Na3

    15.Nh3

    14.g4

    13.b4

    12.f3

    11.c3

    10.d3

    9.e3

    8.b3

    7.g3

    6.Nc3

    5.f4

    4.Nf3

    3.d4

    2.e4

    1.c4

    You might think this is awkward, but the english is one of my favourite openings in tournaments, recently.

    The english is 1.c4

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