Queen's Pawn opening, Zukertort! (bless you)

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delcai007

Not exactly by design, I end up playing this a lot and it's the opening I'm most comfortable with:

1. d4... 2. Nf3... 3. Nc3... 4. Bg5... 5. e3... 6. Bb5... 7. Qe2 or Qd2 or 0-0

So, just wanting to understand a little more, two questions:

1- what exactly is this opening called? I want to study what happens beyond 7 or 8 moves, I looked up 'Zukertort' and was informed that it's just a different name for Reti. Hmmm. Call me confused.

2- Reti starts with Nf3, right? Is there a reason to play Nf3 before d4?

Any other thoughts about this opening? Should I cut my losses and get familiar with something else?

delcai007
Josh11live
Your analysis board shows white missing alot of tactics and even a mate in 2 so fix that pls. I don’t study this Zukertort but put into explore(which is the opening moves learning thing)and it will show the name.
delcai007

okay, thanks

delcai007

So, I'm wanting to try and familiarize myself with lines after 7. Qe2 or Qd2 or 0-0, though, yes, I can and have used 'play against the computer' and set that position up. I like Lichess's opening lessons but this one doesn't seem to be included, unless I have the wrong name for it (which I get from the computer when I play it).

delcai007
Josh11live wrote:
Your analysis board shows white missing alot of tactics and even a mate in 2 so fix that pls.

I think I'm focused on wanting to get my minor pieces where i want them and maybe ignoring Black, possibly incorrectly?

delcai007
Josh11live wrote:
Your analysis board shows white missing alot of tactics and even a mate in 2 so fix that pls. I don’t study this Zukertort but put into explore(which is the opening moves learning thing)and it will show the name.

I'll try that right now

delcai007

Well, it just came back with what Iam constantly been told, by the computer: "Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Variation", sometimes Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Chigorin Variation. When I try to find instructions about it, however, I get nowhere. Lichess has a Zukertort opening study but it's not what I'm playing. Chess.com does have it in their master games Database. Maybe that's the best I can I do?

And I'm still wanting to know if it's better, if so, why, to play Nf3 before d4.

And I'm still confused reading that the Zukertort opening is just another name for Reti. This isn't Reti.

From Google, I got this, not very helpful but means I'm not completely missing it with this opening: The Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Variation, is a chess opening for White, falling under the larger umbrella of the Queen's Pawn Game. It is named after Johannes Zukertort, who played in the first World Chess Championship. This system is known for its solid and flexible piece development, often leading to a kingside attack.

This is about as close as I've come ever to seriously studying chess, btw. I hope it pans out.

BlunderMaster-123

Reti could lead to Open Sicilian or Symmetrical English since you can't push your d4 pawn after 1... c5 (well...maybe you can but it's dubious)

delcai007

Interesting. Thanks. I keep looking at Reti. It might be a better opening than this one.But playing Stockfish, I often see this exact board and the opening is not Reti, correct? The computer says, "Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Variation".

So, where I can study this?

BlunderMaster-123
delcai007 wrote:

Interesting. Thanks. I keep looking at Reti. It might be a better opening than this one.But playing Stockfish, I often see this exact board and the opening is not Reti, correct? The computer says, "Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Variation".

So, where I can study this?

Zukertort is only until 2. Nf3. You're doing a London System setup for the rest of the moves.

BlunderMaster-123

There are tons of lessons about London System on youtube. There is also the Jobava London. Have a look.

BlunderMaster-123

delcai007

delcai007
BlunderMaster-123 wrote:
delcai007 wrote:

Interesting. Thanks. I keep looking at Reti. It might be a better opening than this one.But playing Stockfish, I often see this exact board and the opening is not Reti, correct? The computer says, "Queen's Pawn Opening, Zukertort Variation".

So, where I can study this?

Zukertort is only until 2. Nf3. You're doing a London System setup for the rest of the moves.

Aha! Only the first two moves. Now I get it. And the London... how interesting. I had no idea. Thanks! And that's how little I know about chess, really.

Sydsy

d4+ nc3 + bg5 is the veresov if the bishop goes to f4 not g5 its the Jobava London ( what i play most the time). if you play d4+ nf3 + bg5 its the Torre. All 3 are fun d4 sidelines and are really easy to get good positions from with minimum studying. The precise move order you said youre gonna have a hard time finding anything for because its not common to put the knight on c3 before playing c4 unless you are playing a jobaba/veresov which have very concrete ideas . The games you posted you play very similarly to the normal london where the knight is gonna be better on d2 and a pawn on c3 instead of playing early nc3.

The reti you can play in a million and one different ways but usually is tied g3 bg2 set ups, Can turn into a bunch of things from there depending how you play it (English, KIA, Catalan, Neo Catalan, etc). The other thing ab starting with nf3 is black doesnt have to play d5 on move one

delcai007

Excellent. Thank you very much!

delcai007
Sydsy wrote:

The games you posted you play very similarly to the normal london where the knight is gonna be better on d2 and a pawn on c3 instead of playing early nc3.

Okay, that's what I'm going to look at today... and that makes sense, c3 instead of c4, and Nd2 instead of Nc3. Thanks again.

BlunderMaster-123
form structure like this
delcai007

That's my plan now. Thanks again.