Korchnoi fled an evil,oppressive society which,as communism,had vowed to infiltrate trade unions and the education systems of the west in order to bring down the west.We must never lose sight of this.Chess and sport greatness was one way that it tried to show that it was a superior system to that of the west.Putin wants to revive all this.
Anatoly Karpov is 64!
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lebid wrote:
Korchnoi fled an evil,oppressive society which,as communism,had vowed to infiltrate trade unions and the education systems of the west in order to bring down the west.We must never lose sight of this.Chess and sport greatness was one way that it tried to show that it was a superior system to that of the west.Putin wants to revive all this.
Good Christ, you really buy into that nonsense?
It's what Lenin and Stalin both said and planned and then we had so many communists infiltrating western society stealthily in order to undermine western countries.The GULAG ststem of oppression was absolutely despicable and together with the murderous KGB,was an indelible blight on Russia.
SpiritoftheVictory: If you want to set this topic back to Karpov, you are going to have to call out more commenters than lebid. And if you want people to stop talking politics, you should too. Don't try to get the last word in.
Anyone see the excellent documentary,"Two Kings for a Crown"?
Jun 8, 2015
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ipcress12 wrote:
SpiritoftheVictory: If you want to set this topic back to Karpov, you are going to have to call out more commenters than lebid. And if you want people to stop talking politics, you should too. Don't try to get the last word in.
Anyone see the excellent documentary,"Two Kings for a Crown"?
You're absolutely right. I think those who will read through the thread will see the one-sidedness and hypocrisy of the person who keeps the thread political. That person may keep raving on but I'm not gonna pay attention to it anymore.
Haven't seen the documentary, will have to check it out later. It looks like it's about Karpov-Kasparov rivalry - judging from the title. Thanks for the positive contribution to the thread.
How come we never hear of karpov? Is he even real or is this a conspiracy figure?
Jun 8, 2015
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Kappablancasuckz wrote:
How come we never hear of karpov? Is he even real or is this a conspiracy figure?
Yes. He is real. And a bit old now, retired from competitive chess. And he's 64 years old now. Oh, wait, this is post #64 - cool! 
Something tells me that you might be trolling though. Kinda your nickname gives it away. I assume it refers to Jose Raul Capablanca who, like Karpov, is considered one of the best players of all times.
Jun 9, 2015
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GreedyPawnEater wrote:
lebid wrote:
Korchnoi fled an evil,oppressive society which,as communism,had vowed to infiltrate trade unions and the education systems of the west in order to bring down the west.We must never lose sight of this.Chess and sport greatness was one way that it tried to show that it was a superior system to that of the west.Putin wants to revive all this.
Nonsense. Korchnoi was lucky enough to live and learn chess in the most advanced society in the history of mankind - communist soviet Russia. This society gave him everything he is but he sold himself for 5 bucks.
You clearly have little idea of what you're talking about. You're going to the other extreme - villifying the individual (Korchnoi) and gloryfying the Soviet State. Sure, the USSR did a lot of good in taking care of their chess players. However, it didn't tolerate individualism very much. Korchnoi was never the darling of the system (as Karpov later came to be) and he constantly had to deal with obstacles that were in his way.
I suggest educating yourself about history, understanding what it was like to walk in Korchnoi's shoes, and only then judging him (or any other person for that matter). Right now, you just sound biased and ignorant. Here's a good documentary about life and chess of Victor Korchnoi - one of the best chess players ever: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxkz3WBTOe8
extremely smell wedge-ucated you mean.
lebid wrote:
It's what Lenin and Stalin both said and planned and then we had so many communists infiltrating western society stealthily in order to undermine western countries.The GULAG ststem of oppression was absolutely despicable and together with the murderous KGB,was an indelible blight on Russia.
You realize that the United States and its allies did just as much to undermine and antagonize the Soviet Union as well right?
Oppressed citizens in the USSR found it very difficult to escape to the free world.In communist East Germany a wall had to built to keep people from escaping to West Germany and getting away,therefore,from oppression,pollution and sheer stagnation.
Which doesn't really have anything to do with what I'm saying.
Jun 9, 2015
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lebid wrote:
Oppressed citizens in the USSR found it very difficult to escape to the free world.In communist East Germany a wall had to built to keep people from escaping to West Germany and getting away,therefore,from oppression,pollution and sheer stagnation.
You understand that what you're saying is well known, right? It's not like you're breaking the news. I saw you talk about Korchnoi. Still waiting you to talk about Fischer. Do you think he had been treated fairly?
Either try to be objective in your criticism or shut up. If you chose to see all the negative things about the USSR/Russia, please make the effort to do the same about West. Otherwise, you're just a hypocrite. Which, so far you have been. So either be objective or shut up. Nobody cares about your hypocrisy.
Jun 9, 2015
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GreedyPawnEater wrote:
thabks. i am extremely well educated as i have finished an elite private school and i am currently going to one of the best universities in the world. you should read more books.
It really doesn't look like it. By the way, I wouldn't brag about attending one of the best universities in the world - certainly not if you're in humanities. Judging what kind of idiots most of the politicians are (who go to elite private schools and attend elite universities), I wouldn't want to be anywhere near those places. These folks are out-of-touch with reality with little common sense - which you seem to be. Perhaps you folks read too many books to be in touch with the real world. And thanks for your suggestion, I'm an avid reader myself - and since I don't go to a university, I have the freedom of choice as to what books I read. I don't have to subscribe to the mainstream way of thinking.
I'm sorry if my comment offends you. Just kidding, not sorry. 
You and people like you need a doze of a cold shower.
Jun 9, 2015
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Sorry if this is off topic, but hey, not too many guys walking around that have chess sets named after them.
Dario Perez Modern French set "Karpov":
Jun 9, 2015
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#73 You got it right! This is completely on topic. It's just some people are trying to bring too much politics here. Thanks for the info. Hopefully we'll be back on track here without politics. If you can add more to the topic, you're certainly welcome to do so.
Jun 9, 2015
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SpiritoftheVictory wrote:
#73 You got it right! This is completely on topic. It's just some people are trying to bring too much politics here. Thanks for the info. Hopefully we'll be back on track here without politics. If you can add more to the topic, you're certainly welcome to do so.
The whole political situation at the time is (and was) absolutely fascinating. After all we lived through it all and if there was a chess game on a huge scale, one that was watched worldwide move by move, it was the Cold War. And it was riveting. While that would be a great thread, I just wanted to congratulate Karpov on reaching 64 years.
Putin is a warmonger who has invaded Crimea and is now attacking eastern Ukraine all the time denying the fact.He is KGB trained and has twice publicaly stated that no-one is allowed to leave the KGB.Witness what happened to Alexander Litvinenko, a KGB officer who defected to Britain in order to co-publish a book detailing Putin's nefarious role in the Chechyan conflicts and a series of mysterious bombings in Moscow.He died from radioactive plutonium poisoning administered in his tea by two KGB colleagues that he dined with when they visited him from Moscow.His book "Blowing up Russia" was published and is available in the free world.It is banned in Russia because of its chronicaling Putin's hooligan deeds.
I don't disagree with you. However, by singling out the USSR/Russia you're just being a hypocrite. And I'm not saying this to justify Russia. All I'm saying is it is what it is.
And yes, Karpov proudly represented the USSR and, later, Russia. He was in the system, representing it and being rewarded by it. I can understand and respect that. Some people, like Kasparov or Fischer sought to fight their respective systems; Korchnoi chose to flee the USSR. All of these people had fascinating lives as well as chess. They chose their path. And I do respect and admire all of them.
So let's end the politics here. The thread is not about politics. You brought the politics and your bias and hypocricy here. Let us end the political discussion and talk about chess.