Becoming a GM and Hans Niemann

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SnowmanElf

FIDE 2478

peformance rating 2470

The only online coverage with commentary I see of the Sunway Sitges tournament is this Hans Niemann following group on Twitch. I understand if he gets to "2500" he becomes a GM.

I understand that he has already earned his norms, 3 right?

So, why does he have to fly to Spain to get to 2500? Couldn't he do that online? My understanding is that you can get rating points online if it is a FIDE regulated event and you use the cameras according to the rules.

Hans does his own Twitch streams and I am sure a soon to be GM knows how to get this set up.

The other question I have is, let's assume he can't go online or participate in events online. He has to go to Spain to get to 2500. What does 2500 mean?

I am seeing on chessbomb they are saying he has a performance rating of 2470. If he gets a performance rating of 2500, that qualifies him? Or does he have to get a 2500 overall rating (FIDE is showing as 2478)? I assume the performance rating only pertains to the tournament. So, that to me seems kind of like a 4th norm.

The point of all this is if you don't actually have a 2500 rating overall in order to become a GM and you can become a GM by having 2500 in performance rating, why make the player do this then? Why not just give them the GM title when they get their 3rd norm?

You could still limit the players by only having tournaments with players from 2500 and up, but I think it is strange that you can earn your norms, not get the GM title, but then become a GM only because you got 2500 points. Shouldn't getting your norms be considered the higher achievement?

Your rating points are just eventual points you will get.

What do you guys think? Am I missing something? 

notmtwain
SnowmanElf wrote:

 

FIDE 2478

peformance rating 2470

 

The only online coverage with commentary I see of the Sunway Sitges tournament is this Hans Niemann following group on Twitch. I understand if he gets to "2500" he becomes a GM.

 

I understand that he has already earned his norms, 3 right?

 

So, why does he have to fly to Spain to get to 2500? Couldn't he do that online? My understanding is that you can get rating points online if it is a FIDE regulated event and you use the cameras according to the rules.

 

Hans does his own Twitch streams and I am sure a soon to be GM knows how to get this set up.

 

The other question I have is, let's assume he can't go online or participate in events online. He has to go to Spain to get to 2500. What does 2500 mean?

 

I am seeing on chessbomb they are saying he has a performance rating of 2470. If he gets a performance rating of 2500, that qualifies him? Or does he have to get a 2500 overall rating (FIDE is showing as 2478)? I assume the performance rating only pertains to the tournament. So, that to me seems kind of like a 4th norm.

 

The point of all this is if you don't actually have a 2500 rating overall in order to become a GM and you can become a GM by having 2500 in performance rating, why make the player do this then? Why not just give them the GM title when they get their 3rd norm?

 

You could still limit the players by only having tournaments with players from 2500 and up, but I think it is strange that you can earn your norms, not get the GM title, but then become a GM only because you got 2500 points. Shouldn't getting your norms be considered the higher achievement?

 

Your rating points are just eventual points you will get.

 

What do you guys think? Am I missing something? 

Online play has never counted for titles. Online games aren't used for the official FIDE rating.

Why? The evolution of using multiple cameras and allowing officials to have remote access to the computer is new. Change takes time.  

 

SnowmanElf

"Online games aren't used for the official FIDE rating."

Ok, thanks. I didn't know that. I thought these previous events Carlsen has been in and events like the US Chess Championship 2020 gave players rating points for wins or possibly draws. 

 

Is the US event, there were no USCF points or FIDE points awarded? If USCF and not FIDE, this might explain more why Hans went to Spain. 

notmtwain
SnowmanElf wrote:

"Online games aren't used for the official FIDE rating."

Ok, thanks. I didn't know that. I thought these previous events Carlsen has been in and events like the US Chess Championship 2020 gave players rating points for wins or possibly draws. 

 

Is the US event, there were no USCF points or FIDE points awarded? If USCF and not FIDE, this might explain more why Hans went to Spain. 

The US Chess Championship was a rapid time control event. I don't know how it was rated.

IMakasu

I'm not sure how online FIDE tournaments have been rated this year, but I believe the majority of them, if not all of them, have been in the rapid time control format. Hans needs to increase his classical time control rating to reach the 2500 threshold.

notmtwain

https://www.chess.com/news/view/sunway-sitges-chess-festval-cheparinov-wins-niemann-grandmaster