Fischer's score with Spassky before 1972 was 1-4 , not 0-4. They had met 5 times with Spassky winning 3 and drawing the other 2 .
pff. this time it's not a misspelling, but a miscalculation on my part. Always thought of Fischer unable to beat Spassky prior to '72 WCC. Thanks for the correction.
hey wait, fischer scored 2 draws against spassky? wow not bad huh, not bad at all.
Fischer's score with Spassky before 1972 was 1-4 , not 0-4. They had met 5 times with Spassky winning 3 and drawing the other 2 .
pff. this time it's not a misspelling, but a miscalculation on my part. Always thought of Fischer unable to beat Spassky prior to '72 WCC. Thanks for the correction.
You are right that he didnt beat Spassky prior to 1972 but he had 2 draws with him when playing white and lost the 3 black games he played with Spassky.
polydiatonic,
I guess he was extremely and deeply depressed but I don't believe he was psychotic... And certainly he wasn't a liar concerning facts and events!...
I guess that the reason of the maniac-depressive disorder of his was a fundamental lack of family affection during his childhood. His psychological defense mechanisms were the quest of the rise to the World Chess Summit, certainly a delusion of grandeur and "the projection of his bitterness to others", so Bobby Fischer was clearly a little bit paranoid and he made numerous unfair verbal assaults to americans and jews.
But I also believe that Bobby Fischer had a personal integrity, he wasn't a petty liar and he hadn't illusions.
So I have to believe that his accusations about the infamous Pasadena Jailhouse incident were totally correct... And then I have to ask myself and those pretending they didn't know, they didn't hear, they didn't understand;
If you Gentlemen were in a state of lengthy depression and lack of psychological balance and then I send a few bullies of mine to deeply humiliate you, what you are expected to do? And what are my responsibilities?
Fischer then over-reacted, he declared war to his country, he made war-like and deeply unfair statements but what are the responsibilities of his country about his constitutional rights?
I believe there is a certain illogic to this post. Vis.:
I guess he was extremely and deeply depressed but I don't believe he was psychotic... And certainly he wasn't a liar concerning facts and events!...
Is your point that fischer was not lying when he accused the jews of being out "to get" him? Was he not lying when he said that, and I'm parphrasing now, that jews "control" the world? I don't really want to get in to an argument over minutae, but my basic question persists, was he just an angry bastard or was he mentally impaired, or both? And how do you feel about such a "wacko" being revered by the chess world at large?
To me, the tragedy of Fischer's mental decline is that it probably was something preventable. He didn't have to go down that road, did he? I sometimes wonder if he just hung out with the right kind of people, or if he just had the discipline not to dwell on self-distructive thoughts things would have turned out differently. The sad thing is for a good part of his life he was trying to be a better person but he got lost somewhere in the dark side of his head.
".... I guess that the reason of the maniac-depressive disorder of his was a fundamental lack of family affection during his childhood. His psychological defense mechanisms were the quest of the rise to the World Chess Summit, certainly a delusion of grandeur and "the projection of his bitterness to others", so Bobby Fischer was clearly a little bit paranoid and he made numerous unfair verbal assaults to americans and jews...."
I believe that I had already gave an answer to the first question of you about his anti-jewish statements...
The "wacko" (I gave a more precise characterization...) is revered by the chess world at large for "several" reasons but mostly because he was an extremely unhappy and lonely genius who all alone had achieved unimaginable peaceful "miracles" fighting against a "chess empire". When Mikhail Tal was hospitalized in Curacao, Bobby Fischer paid a visit to him, he didn't said that "this miserable jew communist from Latvia should die"... If he had said this crap, the chess world would despise him...
His accusations against Jews are not about facts and events, they are projections of his bitterness against his very ancestors, namely a typical result of paranoid mental procedures found in maniac-depressive disorders... Another aspect of his ambiguity towards his ancestors is his long and happy visit to the Polgar family, a widely known Hungarian family (unlike his personal history) of prodigies (like himself) of Jewish (like himself) origin!... I never heard any Fischer's statement like "The Jewish Polgars are evil persons!"...
Etc. etc.
I gave you a direct answer to your very questions, so I am waiting for your answers to my own question!
I still don't see where you've addressed my OP. But,I"m not going to worry about it.
I don't know about all this, but what I do know is that Fischer's was one of the best chess games ever and his books and games will be a part of chess for a long time.
If just one more person tells me that Fischer was a good player, I may just considered myself informed.
Thanks kco for removing the last bit of doubt.
Was Capablanca any good? I mean, I heard he was but I don't think I heard from enough people.
i haven't read much of him or his games 
maybe I'll put that on to-do-lists and have a look into it.
So clearly Hoklanie is in Category 1 in my earlier post.
So clearly tonydal is in Category 1 of MY earlier post.
[That is: there are two kinds of people...those who think there are two kinds of people and those who think there aren't.]
Fisher and probably Magnus Carlson are likely slightly autistic. To tell you the truth Chucky looks that way too.
This often leads to strage behavior. Its commonly agreed that Fisher was a bit wacked.
Fisher and probably Magnus Carlson are likely slightly autistic. To tell you the truth Chucky looks that way too.
This often leads to strage behavior. Its commonly agreed that Fisher was a bit wacked.
You mean that the boy on the left was commonly agreed a bit of a wacko? Hmmm, doesn't look wacked to me, not a litle bit.
Well, some say that the handwriting of a person reflects his personality. This was Fischer's handwriting style. Hmm, doesn't look like a wacko to me either.
This kid just loved chess. He set his mind to become the best in the planet. Others may had seen that as a wacky idea but Fischer was probably born to play and be the very best in chess.
For my part, the chess world's fortunate to have had Fischer, as much as the boxing world had Ali.
And their views outside chess or boxing's remain that - outside.
For my part, the chess world's fortunate to have had Fischer, as much as the boxing world had Ali.
And their views outside chess or boxing's remain that - outside.
Well if you're comparing Ali "outside" the ring views/behavior to Fischer's away from the board views/behavior you're doing Ali a great, great injustice.
It's true that as a young man Ali became involved with what some might call the "miltant" black muslim movement, but beginning with his objections to the war in vietnam and a life of promoting peace since then has no parallel with RJF's life. As Ali's life moved along he became less radical and more embracing of the human condition. Fischer did just the opposite.
For my part, the chess world's fortunate to have had Fischer, as much as the boxing world had Ali.
And their views outside chess or boxing's remain that - outside.
Well if you're comparing Ali "outside" the ring views/behavior to Fischer's away from the board views/behavior you're doing Ali a great, great injustice.
It's true that as a young man Ali became involved with what some might call the "miltant" black muslim movement, but beginning with his objections to the war in vietnam and a life of promoting peace since then has no parallel with RJF's life. As Ali's life moved along he became less radical and more embracing of the human condition. Fischer did just the opposite.
What I meant was this: views of great sportsmen are to be considered "outside" the sports fields they excel in.
It's is a free country i think..any one have the write to express hos thoughts and feelings..i think Fischer was great player as he was great a human..
All of us has his own opinoins..and if you don't agree with me it's not meaning that i'm wrong neither you.
Of course you're free to prattle on about whatever you like shareef as we have freedom of speach. As the OP here I can tell you that I've read every single post here over the last few days and so far you're the ONLY PERSON who thinks that Fischer was a "great human". What do you think qualifies him as a "great human", other than being a great chess player and the man who helped bring about the emergence of chess as a great "sport"? I can't think of a damn thing.
He's a great "individualist". And so is Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones... and many others who dare to speak up their opinions - like YOU, dude.
Fischer's score with Spassky before 1972 was 1-4 , not 0-4. They had met 5 times with Spassky winning 3 and drawing the other 2 .
pff. this time it's not a misspelling, but a miscalculation on my part. Always thought of Fischer unable to beat Spassky prior to '72 WCC. Thanks for the correction.