Josh Waitzkin's resignation from competitive chess

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Uhohspaghettio1

You didn't follow it at all #172. 

And no I'm not available to explain it to you. 

solskytz

<Uhohspaghettio>

You simply brand yourself as an antisemitic piece of human waste with your #168 hate speech tirade. Congratulations. 

I lived in Italy for three years and speak very good Italian. I know many people from your country, and happily I can say that you are definitely an exception. I never met anybody like you IRL. 

Uhohspaghettio1
solskytz wrote:

<Uhohspaghettio>

You simply brand yourself as an antisemitic piece of human waste with your #168 hate speech tirade. Congratulations. 

I lived in Italy for three years and speak very good Italian. I know many people from your country, and happily I can say that you are definitely an exception. I never met anybody like you IRL. 

 

I find you to be a disgusting and evil man to invoke antisemitism as a means to stir up internet drama. 

If you remember I have come across you before and think you're not quite there mentally.   

Sneakmasterflex
Well this whole thread is just a lot of coccomany bullhog, wanitzkin stopped playin bcuz he realized that he not gonna get to gm let alone world champion. And that is no shame being an IM, yu are still playin chess better than 99.9% of world population. But for some people that is not enough, and that is just fine. Saying it had something to do with a movie only chessplayers are aware of...that explanation is just a bit too convenient and easy
solskytz

I now learned that the flag of Ireland is very similar to that of Italy - almost impossible to tell the difference with these tiny little flags here. 

The rest of my post stands, of course. 

solskytz

I have now read the OP - very interesting! 

I had no idea that IM Waitskin "blamed" GM Dvoretzki for "killing his love for the game" by striving to teach him GM-level positional chess. Quite unbelievable actually. 

solskytz
JG27Pyth wrote:

Gonnosuke's posts in this thread are wise and true! I have nothing to add to them.

One clarification -- only the unfortunate title of the movie and the hype surrounding the success of the movie ever made anyone think that Josh was "the next Bobby Fischer." No one in chess that I know of ever seriously thought Josh was that kind of a magical talent -- merely extremely talented. There are always a few dozen boys and girls around the world who have huge chess talent, Josh was one. Actually, I think at that time more of a hope for a North American born World Champ went with the "bad" kid in the movie, canadian Jeff Sarwer *(sp?) I don't think there's much doubt that Sarwer had more pure chess talent than josh, but where Josh has strong family, Sarwer had a very screwed up home life that completely undermined him and his chess career... from what I've read on sarwer's blog, he's come thru into adulthood as a fully functioning human being (for which he deserves A LOT of credit) but he's got a "I coulda been a contenda" chip on his shoulder, too.

Touching story!

Indeed, the wrong family can totally sabotage one's justified aspirations to greatness. Call it bad luck perhaps...

7ofKnight

I was quite disappointed when I found out that he was no longer playing/competing. One of my favorite books is one he wrote, Attacking Chess.  If it was his coaches change of direction that discouraged him, I think that somewhere during his training in Tai Chi, Ju Jitsu, his master would have found flaws/weaknesses in his style that needed attention. Should he have quit then, too? Or is that not the same thing? Anyway, on the other topic of serious American players, during the US Chess Championship there were alot of naturalized players rather than those born in the US of American parents. It's because they consider Chess to be an intellectual pursuit.  I really don't know why more Americans aren't seriously studying Chess. 

Darth_Algar
7ofKnight wrote:

I was quite disappointed when I found out that he was no longer playing/competing. One of my favorite books is one he wrote, Attacking Chess.  If it was his coaches change of direction that discouraged him, I think that somewhere during his training in Tai Chi, Ju Jitsu, his master would have found flaws/weaknesses in his style that needed attention. Should he have quit then, too? Or is that not the same thing? Anyway, on the other topic of serious American players, during the US Chess Championship there were alot of naturalized players rather than those born in the US of American parents. It's because they consider Chess to be an intellectual pursuit.  I really don't know why more Americans aren't seriously studying Chess. 

Americans aren't interested in shelling out money for their kids to participate in something unless it can result in brain damage and broken bones.

7ofKnight

Good point!

SilentKnighte5

7ofKnight wrote:

Anyway, on the other topic of serious American players, during the US Chess Championship there were alot of naturalized players rather than those born in the US of American parents. It's because they consider Chess to be an intellectual pursuit.  I really don't know why more Americans aren't seriously studying Chess. 

It's just a board game. Stop putting it on a pedestal.

7ofKnight

What right do you have telling me how I should view chess?

solskytz

But it is just a board game. Do you view it as anything else?

7ofKnight

Yes it is a board game. My comment that he quoted was simply a question why there aren't more Americans competing in Chess at the GM level. 

badenwurtca

Interesting points. I mean the 100 meter dash is merely a race. However you put that race into the Olympics for example and it becomes a " Big Deal " ( but it is still just a group of people running real fast, nothing more   lol ).

SilentKnighte5
7ofKnight wrote:

Yes it is a board game. My comment that he quoted was simply a question why there aren't more Americans competing in Chess at the GM level. 

Your comment and follow up were a lot more than that.

7ofKnight

Gee...then why don't YOU make my follow up comment.

Jenium

I know Josh has become famous for this movie, but aside from that I have found that he is an excellent teacher. His videos on chessmaster are just awesome... (And I 've never been a fan of over dramatised hollywood movies.)

zBorris

I think Nakamura followed in his footsteps in as much as becoming the next Bobby Fischer. I don't think any two chessplayers are as close to the same background and experience that Bobby had.

Josh and Hikaru are like blood brothers in that regard. 

BonTheCat

If Waitzkin was idolizing players like Kasparov and Tal, he should also have known that Tal matured in his style, to such an extent that twice in the early 1970s he had undefeated streaks of something like 84 and 95 games, respectively, and that he worked with Karpov in the late 1970s. Kasparov did the same, he played Caro-Kann for a while in order to round out his positional knowledge (he even wrote a book about the Classical Variation together with Shakarov). Sound attacking play has a firm positional basis. This is a fact well-known by all the great attacking masters.

I think Sneakmasterflex is definitely on to something when he says that Waitzkin probably got put off by the realization that he wasn't good enough or that he wasn't prepared to put in the hard work needed (or that he wasn't sure he would make it if he did). I strongly suspect that it was the latter, that he considered positional chess dull. All the best players round out their styles either by working on their tactics and attacking play or by working on the positional foundations.