Most underrated player ever?

checkmateibeatu

Who do you think is the most underrated player ever?  Like before, no silly answers like members of this site, non chess players, etc.

Current Poll Results (as of 9/4/2011 7:05 PM PST):

Nezhmetdinov 5 1/2

Rubinstein 3 1/4

Flohr 3

Euwe 2 1/4

Bronstein 2

Gelfand 2

Fischer 2

Schlechter 1  1/4

Geller 1 1/5

Reti 1 1/5

Mikhalchishin 1

Aronian 1

Ivanchuk 1

Gerard 1

Taimanov 1

Panno 1

Petrosian 1

Murdoch 1

Maroczy 1

Hawkins 1

Seirawan 1/2

Yusupov 1/2

Pillsbury 1/4

Stein 1/5

Anderson 1/5

Larsen 1/5

Balzac 1/5

Jundys 1/5

Ninall 1/5

Cowt 1/5

Vale 1/5

TheGrobe

Probably Fischer.

trysts

Boris Gelfand.

tarrasch

Nezhmetdinov.

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote:

no silly answers like members of this site


Well I was going to say erik, jay, dpruess, danny rensch, deepgreene, piotr, igor, shadowc, jon, nik, vladimir, faisal, marcosdsanchez, matt helfst, kohai, GM Beccera, GM Bhat, WIM Zenyuk, GM Serper, GM Panchanathan, GM Prasad, IM Silman, FM Galfore, IM Shankland, GM Khachiyan, GM Friedel, FM Liu, FM Lilov, IM Tangborn, GM Perelshnteyn, GM Dzindzichashvilli, WGM Pogonina, GM Gopal, GM Kaidanov, IM Ginsburg, GM Bojkov, IM Grefe, IM Rendle, GM Lenderman, FM Andrews, FM Banawa, Ben Curtis, sonofpearl, Mina Shokry, zerolag, Dallin Atkinson, and Roland Walker, but if you have such a huge problem with these people...

checkmateibeatu
oinquarki wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:

no silly answers like members of this site


Well I was going to say erik, jay, dpruess, danny rensch, deepgreene, piotr, igor, shadowc, jon, nik, vladimir, faisal, marcosdsanchez, matt helfst, kohai, GM Beccera, GM Bhat, WIM Zenyuk, GM Serper, GM Panchanathan, GM Prasad, IM Silman, FM Galfore, IM Shankland, GM Khachiyan, GM Friedel, FM Liu, FM Lilov, IM Tangborn, GM Perelshnteyn, GM Dzindzichashvilli, WGM Pogonina, GM Gopal, GM Kaidanov, IM Ginsburg, GM Bojkov, IM Grefe, IM Rendle, GM Lenderman, FM Andrews, FM Banawa, Ben Curtis, sonofpearl, Mina Shokry, zerolag, Dallin Atkinson, and Roland Walker, but if you have such a huge problem with these people...


I don't.  I just don't want any of the silly votes that were cast in the original two threads.

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote: I don't.  I just don't want any of the silly votes that were cast in the original two threads.

So you're calling the entire chess.com staff silly; I'm sure that won't have any effects.

checkmateibeatu

They are not silly. I am talking about Lenny Bongcloud, pdela and other silly answers in the best player ever and second best player ever threads.

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote:

They are not silly. I am talking about Lenny Bongcloud, pdela and other silly answers in the best player ever and second best player ever threads.


But wouldn't the fact that you think they're so silly they can't be in a competition make them extremely underrated?

checkmateibeatu
oinquarki wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:

They are not silly. I am talking about Lenny Bongcloud, pdela and other silly answers in the best player ever and second best player ever threads.


But wouldn't the fact that you think they're so silly they can't be in a competition make them extremely underrated?


I mean among people who were actually decently famous at the time but was overshadowed by someone else.  For example, you can call Frank Marshall underrated because he was overshadowed by Capablanca.

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote: I mean among people who were actually decently famous at the time but was overshadowed by someone else.  For example, you can call Frank Marshall underrated because he was overshadowed by Capablanca.

You're trying to overshadow Lenny and Pablo with Frank Marshall.

checkmateibeatu

The person who you vote for should also be really good as well.  And like I said in the other thread, although Lenny made another version of chess which (as far as I know) has only been known on this site, doesn't mean he is a good regular chess player (his rating, again like I said before, is under 500)

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote:

only been known on this site


Dude -  think about it; how could a bongcloud travel via the internet?

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote:

(his rating, again like I said before, is under 500)


Again, this is an online rating, and Lenny can really only work his magic OTB; Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?

checkmateibeatu
oinquarki wrote:
checkmateibeatu wrote:

(his rating, again like I said before, is under 500)


Again, this is an online rating, and Lenny can really only work his magic OTB; Why are you having such a hard time understanding this?


Because there is no proof of him "working his magic" over the board!

oinquarki
checkmateibeatu wrote: Because there is no proof of him "working his magic" over the board!

Dude look at any database of his games. I'm not going to argue with someone who's such an obvious Lenny-hater and won't look at facts.

checkmateibeatu

Please post one of his real, over the board wins against someone at least 2500 elo strength on this thread.

oinquarki

Wait for ivan to login; he's the King's high priest.

joe_of_the_jungle

lol im enjoying this!!

checkmateibeatu

Enjoying what?