I recently was in a game where I was behind a BISHOP and 2 pawns . The 2 extra pawns were doubled .
My opponent was unable to penetrate my defense . I asked for a DRAW , he declined . Eventually , he repeated his moves 3 times . We ended in a DRAW . I knew neither of us could win . IF I CANNOT WIN , I ALSO PLAY FOR A DRAW/STALEMATE .
This is what I have to someone who was refusing to resign in a dead position. [Event "GM_ChaCubed vs. Coochiesmeller"] [Site " Chess.com"] [Date "9 Nov 2018"] [White "GM_ChaCubed"] [Black "Coochiesmeller"] [Result "1-0"] [WhiteElo "962"] [BlackElo "638"] [TimeControl "1 in 0 day"] [SetUp "1"] [Termination "GM_ChaCubed won by checkmate"] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 c5 3. Nxe5 f6 4. Qh5+ Ke7 5. Qf7+ Kd6 6. Qd5+ Ke7 7. Nf7 Qe8 8. Nxh8 d6 9. Qxg8 Kd8 10. Qxh7 Bg4 11. Nc3 Nd7 12. Bb5 Ne5 13. Bxe8 Kxe8 14. Ng6 Nxg6 15. Qxg6+ Ke7 16. Qxg4 Kd8 17. d3 a5 18. Bf4 Ra6 19. Nb5 Rb6 20. a4 Ra6 21. O-O g6 22. Qxg6 Rc6 23. Qxf6+ Kc8 24. Qxf8+ Kd7 25. Qf7+ Kd8 26. Qxb7 Rc8 27. Nxd6 Rc6 28. Qxc6 Ke7 29. Qxc5 Kf6 30. Qxa5 Ke6 31. Qe1 Kf6 32. Bc1 Kg7 33. Nc4 Kf6 34. g3 Ke6 35. Na3 Kd6 36. Nb1 Kc6 37. f4 Kc5 38. c3 Kd6 39. Qd1 Ke6 40. Kf2 Kf6 41. Ke1 Ke6 42. Rh1 Kd6 43. b4 Ke6 44. d4 Kd6 45. c4 Ke6 46. g4 Kd6 47. h4 Ke6 48. g5 Kd6 49. f5 Kc6 50. e5 Kc7 51. d5 Kd7 52. c5 Kc7 53. b5 Kd7 54. a5 Kc7 55. h5 Kd7 56. h6 Ke7 57. g6 Kd7 58. f6 Kc7 59. e6 Kb7 60. d6 Kb8 61. c6 Kc8 62. b6 Kd8 63. a6 Ke8 64. h7 Kf8 65. a7 Ke8 66. b7 Kd8 67. g7 Ke8 68. f7+ Kd8 69. c7# 1-0 Sent from my Android
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I'm assuming it's blacks turn. I would not resign in this position because it's a position I could easily see myself getting into. It might be losing, but it's not lost. From a quick look it seems like black is going to go up about 3 points. Lots of times I start out 3 points or more behind because some of my friends will want a bishop or rook handicap before the game even starts. So being 3 points down, even in a bad position isn't nearly enough for me to resign. I've seen many, many games where a player rated 1000 to 1500 makes horrible mistakes. In this position against someone about 1100 or less I would expect to win as white.
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I'm assuming it's blacks turn. I would not resign in this position because it's a position I could easily see myself getting into. It might be losing, but it's not lost. From a quick look it seems like black is going to go up about 3 points. Lots of times I start out 3 points or more behind because some of my friends will want a bishop or rook handicap before the game even starts. So being 3 points down, even in a bad position isn't nearly enough for me to resign. I've seen many, many games where a player rated 1000 to 1500 makes horrible mistakes. In this position against someone about 1100 or less I would expect to win as white.
I can emphasize with this also from the look of that (if its Whites turn) bishop E3 if its NOT whites turn thats a mess - but you have not lost yet you will be checked by Qxf2# but you can move the king to d2 which also protects the rook - its a mess but there is no checkmate
You know when its four pawns and a rook against a lone king it goes far beyond "hoping for blunder" and becomes a means of aggravating the other player by WASTING HIS TIME.
And yeah they get to do it exactly once...
Some people can easily stalemate with 4 pawns and a rook if they are playing too fast, or just incompetent. Some people consider stalemate an achievement worth fighting for (from the losing side). Personally I have no interest in doing, but it's valid. Resigning is just a way to shortcut the natural conclusion of a game of chess. It should never be expected by anyone. At the same time, if you are on the losing side it makes a lot of sense to resign.
Not on a Daily Game, it makes zero sense
Sorry that was kind of critical info and thus my aggravation. OTB is one thing this...
What if someone just want to learn how to win in such position?
Depends on the rating of their opponent. Unless it is quite high they;re not likely to learn much useful.
i an happy when someone plays on. i can practice my end game
I always play for stalemate no matter how far behind I am.
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take." - Michael Jordan
This is true but Joe Smith playing for the Oak Villa Bobcats misses a ton he takes and ticks off the rest of the team... see two sides to things.
To "Thoughtdancer" I agree with you 100% but with on-line chess, as compared to OTB, etiquette and good manners don't get the respect that they should have. Don't those opponents any respect and just play the game out and then block them. If blocking happens to them enough times then on-line chess will be a better place. As to those who advocate playing slavishly for a draw in a game that really doesn't have much consequence - get a life and move on."
Dear 55North, if you think the game of chess is of no consequence why are you wasting everybody's time playing it? Black always plays for a draw, and if black wins, it's only because white made a mistake. DUH. So you're saying unless you're white you just want to resign. Na uh. I can do down 9 or 10 points and still beat you when you make a mistake and I spot it, and there is absolutely no reason why I should give you a win when you might stupidly give me a stalemate. And with your attitude, I'd bet on the stalemate.
You know when its four pawns and a rook against a lone king it goes far beyond "hoping for blunder" and becomes a means of aggravating the other player by WASTING HIS TIME." You sound like such a spoiled brat, who do you think you are? I have managed to get a stalemate out of the position you describe, being a lone king battling against four pawns, literally hundreds of times because of all the unskilled players like you who will promote all four pawns and instantly stalemate their opponent by not leaving him a legal move before they mate him. FFS, do you not know the rules of chess? The rules don't demand that your opponent resign, the rules provide for stalemate and you don't like the rules! Too bad because the rules won't be rewritten to accommodate a self-aggrandizing, self-centered brat like you.
They don't becouse of few reasons:
1. Kids or inexperienced low rated players who just don't know it's over.
2. Players on tilt.
3. Players who think they should have won the game and you are a patzer and holping for a stalemate.
4. Players who don't care and want to play some chess moves regardles of position.
I will show an example what can you do when such position accurs.
Looking back at old threads I've posted in. If I were to end up in this position and for some reason I did not want to resign, I would just pre-move as much as I can and play it like I'm playing a bullet game.
Adds a bit of thrill, doesn't it?
Honestly, I can't quite remember what I posted here. Would be cool if I found it.
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