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sorry i have transcended this forum, you cannot reach me now, goodbye cruel internet! happy.png

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robbie_1969 wrote:

sorry i have transcended this forum, you cannot reach me now, goodbye cruel internet!

 

Enjoyed knowing you, Pink.

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gf3 wrote:

hey z wanna play some 3/0

 

Nearly every day, but you’ll need to gain about 400 Elo before the system will pair us (unless I have a few more days like yesterday, in which case I’ll meet you halfway).

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gf3 wrote:

fixating on fake internet ratings points already has got you in a losing position

don't be another colby covington 

gonna thrash you

who's that?

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oh, okay. lol.

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specific.

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2000? Ya gotta be kidding me.

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YGIW wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

2000? Ya gotta be kidding me.

anyone 2000 or under is guaranteed to have at least 1 very important lesson not yet learned in every one of his chess related videos.


Your claim that a player under 2000 may need to learn makes sense. What you fail to explain is how a teacher who cannot get his OTB rating over 800 is capable of providing this lesson.

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Ziryab wrote:
YGIW wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

2000? Ya gotta be kidding me.

anyone 2000 or under is guaranteed to have at least 1 very important lesson not yet learned in every one of his chess related videos.


Your claim that a player under 2000 may need to learn makes sense. What you fail to explain is how a teacher who cannot get his OTB rating over 800 is capable of providing this lesson.

+1

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Interesting thing I found...



There are two ways to interpret these comments. I won't comment. This is the video it was found in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AX_CGGaNz54

Additionally. his "experiment" in this video (giving up rooks to make his opponent overconfident), allegedly played in the style of Alekhine, was..... I N T E R E S T I N G. In fairness, it was a casual game and he said he wouldn't play something like this in rated game.....I know, personally that I've played some  I N T E R E S T I N G  ideas in unrated games

Either it was some way to justify his blunder, or he genuinely  believed he could win from that position based on "psychology". As a huge fan of Bobby Fischer (him, not me), I'd expect him to know Bobby Fischer's famous quote, "I don't believe in psychology, I believe in good moves".....although the BYP sometimes has a errr...unique understanding of chess principles. Some of this comments on the game were....equally unique. The game was pretty fun though and he presented it enthusiastically, despite the numerous errors in the analysis.

That being said, I think its fair to say everyone has a different opinion on the BYP, I don't think it's worth arguing over anymore....he's just trying his best to make videos.

Anyways, after that long "rant" (if you would call it that 😅), unfollowing this topic happy.png Over and out! ✌️

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YGIW wrote:
Ziryab wrote:
YGIW wrote:
1_a31-0 wrote:

2000? Ya gotta be kidding me.

anyone 2000 or under is guaranteed to have at least 1 very important lesson not yet learned in every one of his chess related videos.


Your claim that a player under 2000 may need to learn makes sense. What you fail to explain is how a teacher who cannot get his OTB rating over 800 is capable of providing this lesson.

BYP draws content from players above 2000 strength and does an excellent job of relaying not only a dumbed down, layman's take on other player's thoughts and games but you have his whole journey,  ongoing, from beginner to USCF master and for a sub 2001 player,


He’s made an awful lot of videos documenting the first ten feet of a 10,000 mile journey. For anyone looking for instruction, observing that journey is an abysmal waste of time. For most viewers on a similar journey, he’s guiding them backwards.

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1_a31-0 wrote:

That being said, I think its fair to say everyone has a different opinion on the BYP, I don't think it's worth arguing over anymore....he's just trying his best to make videos.

Anyways, after that long "rant" (if you would call it that 😅), unfollowing this topic  Over and out! ✌️

I think robbie and YGIW know BYP is garbage instruction. I think they're just wanting attention by posting nonsense here.

Normally I'd ignore them, but for the posterity of any beginners who read topics like this I think it's important to push back. Beginners don't know enough to realize these comments are just joking around. Beginners don't know enough to realize BYP is full of it.

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oh, okay happy.png

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I mean, I know there have been some who really do try to defend him, but the ones I've seen admit he makes gross mistakes, but argue that it doesn't matter because it's more important for a beginner to maintain interest, and that BYP helps them maintain interest in chess, and that as soon as they start improving they'll move on to better videos.

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llamonade2 wrote:

I mean, I know there have been some who really do try to defend him, but the ones I've seen admit he makes gross mistakes, but argue that it doesn't matter because it's more important for a beginner to maintain interest, and that BYP helps them maintain interest in chess, and that as soon as they start improving they'll move on to better videos.

Well, having a wrong interpretation of the game (or principles, for that matter) is like running a race in the opposite direction of the finish line -- it will take even longer to get to the end, because you first have to un-learn all the mistakes that are now part of your intuition.

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By the way, at that time I remember they were challenging us to critique a more recent video, so I did.

Since he reads from a book the overall quality is definitely better (not a high bar).

But he still ad libs. He has his own interpretation of moves and themes (as any beginner would). So there is still a lot of superficial and wrong analysis.

And I'm not trying to single him out. There are a few well known youtube chess people who I don't like. I'm within 400 rating points of some of them, so I can spot errors they make too. I can feel when they're stretching things... compare to if an IM or GM makes a video, it all seems perfect to me.

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llamonade2 wrote:

By the way, at that time I remember they were challenging us to critique a more recent video, so I did.

Since he reads from a book the overall quality is definitely better (not a high bar).

But he still ad libs. He has his own interpretation of moves and themes (as any beginner would). So there is still a lot of superficial and wrong analysis.

And I'm not trying to single him out. There are a few well known youtube chess people who I don't like. I'm within 400 rating points of some of them, so I can spot errors they make too. I can feel when they're stretching things... compare to if an IM or GM makes a video, it all seems perfect to me.

 

For instance, Kevin on thechesswebsite. He also reads from books, although he doesn't tell you he's doing so. When he goes off-script, he sometimes offers the kind of insights you might expect from someone struggling to break into Class C.

Interestingly, he claims to be approximately 1950, but the only USCF rated chess player in Texas sharing his name had a rating near the USCF floor in 2010, the last time he played a rated event. Like BYP, he has two events to his credit.

Kevin's videos are leagues better than BYP, but the errors and misunderstandings are frequent enough that I would not recommend them.

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Oh yeah, thechesswebsite.

The first time I came across it I had been studying the QGD and trying to make a repertoire. There were some St Louis videos that helped (GM lecturers of course) and I was using a database to explore other lines.

So a friend (who doesn't play chess) sent me a video on the QGD from that chesswebsite guy, and like you said, it was really bad. What really stuck with me was how he'd stop randomly in the middle of a line and give some superficial evaluation then move on. I didn't realize he was reading from books without giving credit. I have to assume the books were better and he was stopping at random places to save time.

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+1 yeah. I watched their video on the Evans Gambit (when I first started), and I was confused when I started to score really badly in lines where "white had more than enough compensation for the pawn" or where "white should have a comfortable game"

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I'd take Ziryab over BYP if BYP had piece odds.  Any takers?