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ThrillerFan wrote:
PIRATCH wrote:

ThrillerFan: 2) Karpov (An excellent attacker even though it didn't feature the fireworks of Kasparov's games)

Karpov too, is a typical positional player! (Of course Karpov could attack from a very solid position but this are the main characteristics for a positional player!)

Tal on the other hand is an attacker! Timman was an attacker as well.

Uhm, Positional and Attacking are not opposites, nor mutually exclusive.

You have Positional and Tactical, Attacking and Defensive.

So yes, Karpov was a positional player, but he was also a Top 10 Attacker, contrary to say, Petrosian, who was a Positional Defender.

For Petrosian, safety of his own King came first.  For Karpov, it was all about getting at his opponent's King.  How he went about his "Attack" was in a "Positional" manner.

So as already stated before, POSITIONAL DOES NOT MEAN THE OPPOSITE OF ATTACKING, and YES, there are POSITIONAL PLAYERS that belong in the TOP TEN ATTACKING PLAYERS LIST! 

It's the players where Defense came first that don't belong here, like Korchnoi and Petrosian.  Korchnoi was the opposite of Karpov, a tactical defender!

I don't agree to this. For one reason Positional players always need a solid game (as Karpov). While Attacker need to attack even if that means the sacrifice is not quiet sound (typical for Tal)!

So if you look for Attacker look for players like Tal or Judit Polgar.

Compared to Kasparov Karpov will always be a positional player. And for Kortschnoj he will always be a chess worker (as Spassky proved).

No I really don't see your point of arguement. And I will never call Karpov an Attacker! Tongue out

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Fischer was one of the founding members of the Pawnsnatchers Anonymous club. He was far more comfortable accepting a gambit and defending the extra pawn than he was attacking with a slight material deficit.

My own list of the top ten attacking players of all time is:

1.  Kasparov

2.  Tal

3.  Alekhine

4.  Shirov

5.  Anand

6.  Keres

7.  Bronstein

8.  Morozevich

9.  Ivanchuk

10.  Morphy

This isn't a final list, and there are many great attackers who are not on the list.

A list of the greatest American attacking players would include Christiansen, Shirazi, Nakamura, Pillsbury, Marshall, Reshevsky, Dzindzichasvili, and Kamsky. I'm sure I'm missing some.

No, I am not missing Nezhmetdinov from the list of greatest attacking players. He was perhaps the most overly aggressive player to become a master. His victories were spectacular. But a great attacking player knows when his attack isn't going to work and prepares it better. When Nezhmetdinov's attacks didn't work, he'd attack anyway. That's not a sign of greatness, it's a sign of recklessness.

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Blackburne: http://www.chesshistory.com/winter/extra/violence.html

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My favourite attacking player is Mickey Adams, not an obvious choice since he is viewed mainly as having perhaps a more "boring" positional style, but when he does choose to attack I just love the way in which he executes it. 

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USA:

Morphy

Pillsbury

Marshall

Larry Christiansen

Austria:

Spielmann

Germany:

Anderssen

Poland:

Janowski

Denmark:

Larsen

Latvia:

Keres

Russia:

Chigorin

Alekhine

Averbakh

Tal

Shirov

Kasparov

Sokolov

Spassky

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Or how about Latvia - Tal and Shirov, and Estonia - Keres ?

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Karpov no attacker? You mean he defended himself to the world title??

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It depends how you define attacker, but for me Fischer was also an attacker...

Even though he just played sound chess

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The word "Karpovian" refers to a style of chess where a player makes a quiet move that renders the sound and fury of his opponent's attack senseless. 

Sure, Karpov was an excellent attacking player, as was Fischer. But that's not how they got to be world champions. They were not primarily king hunters, and certainly do not belong in the same conversations about attackers such as Tal and Shirov. Both Fischer and Karpov would have been very comfortable not being on these lists.

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RosieChristensen wrote:

My favourite attacking player is Mickey Adams, not an obvious choice since he is viewed mainly as having perhaps a more "boring" positional style, but when he does choose to attack I just love the way in which he executes it. 

Agreed! When Mickey was at his peak, he played some sparkling attacks! 

Here's one of his games:



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SmyslovFan wrote:

The word "Karpovian" refers to a style of chess where a player makes a quiet move that renders the sound and fury of his opponent's attack senseless. 

Sure, Karpov was an excellent attacking player, as was Fischer. But that's not how they got to be world champions. They were not primarily king hunters, and certainly do not belong in the same conversations about attackers such as Tal and Shirov. Both Fischer and Karpov would have been very comfortable not being on these lists.


how can you know what they feel comfortable with and its obvious that Fischer had a much more aggressive style than karpov, they are not even close

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fischer is much more of an attacking player than he is like karpov

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fischer also played the kings indian and otherwise also always preferred open games like an attacker and not closed games like karpov

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Also Fischer was much more of a piece player and Karpov much more of a pawn player

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TetsuoShima wrote:

fischer is much more of an attacking player than he is like karpov

I see you've gone back and edited post #29 where you said that Fischer and Karpov were both attacking players.

Yes, Fischer was great when he attacked. But that is not the hallmark of his play. Like Capablanca before him, Fischer dominated his opponents with clear planning. 

Fischer's greatest weakness was dealing with the chaotic attacking styles of Tal and Geller. He much preferred order to the chaos of a speculative attack.

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SmyslovFan wrote:

TetsuoShima wrote:

fischer is much more of an attacking player than he is like karpov

I see you've gone back and edited post #29 where you said that Fischer and Karpov were both attacking players.

Yes, Fischer was great when he attacked. But that is not the hallmark of his play. Like Capablanca before him, Fischer dominated his opponents with clear planning. 

Fischer's greatest weakness was dealing with the chaotic attacking styles of Tal and Geller. He much preferred order to the chaos of a speculative attack.

Maybe i have a blackout because my meds but i dont remember having said karpov was an attacking player.

That wasn't Fischers greatest Weaknesses, hence he considered petrosian the strongest player.

The first game against Tal Fischer wanted to play the winning move but tal influenced him so he didnt play it. Tal himself Said so. He had no problems against geller later it was just coincidence because he didnt take them seriously. He underestimated them.

Fischer was a versatile Player, the most universal.

If he wanted just clearity and not attack he wouldnt play the najdorf.

He also Would not play the fischer attack, the one Short also played against kaparov.

Most his openings are chosen by attacking players.

Just because he wasn't a speculator doesnt mean he wasn't an attacker.

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An attack is Namen After Fischer and u say he wasn't an attacking player. Smyslov i give u the troll of the year award

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Ofc. Fischer was an attacking Player. All Great tactical players can also play strategically

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Also shirov also has a very clear style