Top 5 Players of All Time

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jambyvedar
JMurakami wrote:
jambyvedar wrote:

According to Kramnik, Kasparov excels on all position(even if it is closed).

 

Care to elaborate on that remark? As it contradicts Kramnik's strategy in their match.

 

That is Kramnik implying Kasparov at his best. But if Kasparov is not at his best, there might be a chink in Kasparov's armor as Kramnik implied.

ThrillerFan
JMurakami wrote:

ThrillerFan:

None World Champion was above every other in every single aspect of the game nor outside of the game. It's just how it has been.

If Fischer wasn't good enough in closed positions, as they require long term strategical thinking (low piece activity and mobility), he made it up by excelling in so many others. Even Kasparov wasn't the best at those (ask Kramnik). Then again, none compares to Kasparov's handling of piece activity. Not even with Karpov's keen sense for positional nuances.

Of course, if you discard Fischer because his lack of sportsmanship (which isn't something we see over the board), it's entirely your choice.

 

I think you are mistaking about Kasparov!  Kasparov has squeezed so many opponents in the Queen's Gambit, and many mistake him as being "just like Fischer" and playing 1.e4 all the time.  He just as often played 1.d4, and was able to grind out numerous wins from slow, positional games.  People think of Kasparov as just a wild attacker because of his masterpieces in the Najdorf, the King's Indian earlier in his career, and the Grunfeld later in his career.

 

This is also why I put Spassky at 2.  He introduced the concept of the "Universal Player".  You want wild tactics?  He's ready!  You want to grind it out?  He's ready!  He could take any position and your odds of beating him were slim to none.

 

Close the position on Fischer and he collapses.  His sportsmanship was basically the tie-breaker between him and Botvinnik at the bottom of the list.  Kasparov and Spassky top the list from their ability to play any position in the world.  Karpov had the deepest positional understanding of the game, and being able to withstand what he did in many of his games, especially those in the Caro-Kann with 4...Nd7 where one slip-up and he'd have been dead, whereas there is no endurance factor in wild, tactical games.  It's one calculation and bam, game over.  It's like the sprint of fantasy football as opposed to the long, grind-it-out effort it takes to win in 6 months of fantasy baseball on a daily basis.  Then Petrosian, with his strength in defense, as aspect of the game that 99% of amateurs fail in, and is the typical weakness of most players.

 

Then when it came to Botvinnik and Fischer, basically a tie for 5th IMHO, the fact that Fischer was an a$$hole put Botvinnik at 5!

 

And if you can't tell, another reason I don't have Tal up there is I rate endurance higher than flash!

Akki_17

Anand

Fisher

Kasparov

Carlsen

Peruvian Master- Canal

VladimirHerceg91

1. Gioachino Greco

2. Ruy Lopez de Segura 

3. Kramnik 

4. Smyslov

5. Peter Svidler 

aflfooty

Capablanca was the greatest for me................Although Tal had the longest winning streak in games..........Capa was unbeaten in 8 YEARS !!!!!!!!...........hence my reason

Lord_Sky

1. Kerry Shirts

2. Ruy Lopez

3. Lord_Sky

4. Gary Kasparov

5. Magnus Carlsen

6. MrCopperhead

kindaspongey

https://www.chess.com/article/view/who-was-the-best-world-chess-champion-in-history

Polar_Bear

1. Lasker

2. Philidor

3. Morphy

4. Tarrasch

5.-10. Chigorin, Steinitz, Capablanca, Bronstein, Fischer, Kasparov

11.-20. Anderssen, Marshall, Alekhine, Rubinstein, Botvinnik, Keres, Tal, Spassky, Karpov, Nunn

21.-50. De La Bourdonnais, Paulsen, Zukertort, Blackburne, Pillsbury, Janowski, Nimzowitch, Duras, Maroczy, Euwe, Bogoljubov, Fine, Smyslov, Reshewsky, Petrosian (T. Vartanovich), Geller, Gligoric, Larsen,  Korchnoi, Portisch, Mecking, Timman, Beliavsky, Yusupov, Ivanchuk, Short,  J. Polgar, Khalifman, Anand, Carlsen

FOT*: Kramnik, Topalov, Adams, Leko, Hou Yifan, Nakamura, Sokolov I.


* FOT = Frequently Overrated Trash

aflfooty

Polar_ Bear.............of course you cannot put every player into the top 50....that is clear........but to leave out one of the original masterminds of the Hypermodern theory.....well..I would have added Richard Reti for sure...........Reti defeated Capablanca in New York in 1924 after an eight year continuous winning streak by Capablanca in what I think was one of the greatest upsets in chess history...but aside from this....... his contribution to Hypermodern theory ,which was revolutionary at the time.....cannot be understated.........of course he was not in the top 20 but certainly between 20-50 .....but of course it is only an opinion..........

Polar_Bear

Richard Reti was noticeably weaker than Maroczy, Bogoljubov or Nimzowitch.

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

dehermes9

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

macer75
dehermes9 wrote:

1 bobby fisher 2 Kasparov 3 carlsen

What about 4 and 5?

macer75
Polar_Bear wrote:

1. Lasker

2. Philidor

3. Morphy

4. Tarrasch

5.-10. Chigorin, Steinitz, Capablanca, Bronstein, Fischer, Kasparov

11.-20. Anderssen, Marshall, Alekhine, Rubinstein, Botvinnik, Keres, Tal, Spassky, Karpov, Nunn

21.-50. De La Bourdonnais, Paulsen, Zukertort, Blackburne, Pillsbury, Janowski, Nimzowitch, Duras, Maroczy, Euwe, Bogoljubov, Fine, Smyslov, Reshewsky, Petrosian (T. Vartanovich), Geller, Gligoric, Larsen,  Korchnoi, Portisch, Mecking, Timman, Beliavsky, Yusupov, Ivanchuk, Short,  J. Polgar, Khalifman, Anand, Carlsen

FOT*: Kramnik, Topalov, Adams, Leko, Hou Yifan, Nakamura, Sokolov I.


* FOT = Frequently Overrated Trash

You're seriously ranking Judit Polgar and Nigel Short over Kramink and Topalov???

SuarManav

My top five are

1. Magnus Casrlsen(The Mozart of Chess) is certainly the best player, his records show this. He has achieved and still has the highest rating in every chess format. He had managed to draw a match with the then grandmaster and one of the greatest player of chess Garry Kasparov at the age of 13. A lot of times, he completely dominates his opponents. Nobody is even close to taking his championship title. He wins almost all the tournaments he takes part in.

2. Garry Kasparov deserves the second rank. He is an all-rounder player of chess, he is a great defender as well as a great attacker. He is the first player to cross the elo rating of 2800.

3. I will give third place to Mikhail Tal. He was the greatest attacking player of all time. He believed in either to win or lose but not to draw. He did lack some techniques but he was a very creative payer and his games are interesting to watch.

4. I will attribute fourth rank to Anatoly Karpov. Opposite to Tal, He is the best defending player of all time. He makes the game boring to its max but on the other hand it also requires a lot of patience and willpower.

5. After a lot of consideration, I will give fifth place Vshwanathan Anand. He is a very serious and consistent player of chess.