Natural talent, but the son of a talent usually is not a talent.
Maybe person not (less) disturbed on early age.
There are a lot of talented men in fantasy (lol).
Which Elite Chess Player of All Time Has the Most Natural Talent?
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nameno1had wrote:
TKACHS wrote:
Some say that Anatoly Karpov was the closest to the kernel of the essence of what chess is about. Yet they complain about that boring top flight consistency of his games in the 70s & 80s. Learned this fact from baseball when Henry Aaron broke all the lifetime career hitting records passing the over touted careers of other not so durable heroes.
In 1923, Babe Ruth broke the record for most home runs in a season. That same year, he also broke the record for highest batting average. There is a third record he broke that year that most people don't know about: In 1923, Babe Ruth struck out more times than any other player in Major League Baseball.
I liken this to looking at certain players' styles in chess. You have to make certain concessions in order to obtain the benefits you think will give you the advantage to win. Tal did this. Petrosian and Karpov also, each in their own way.
Come again? The Babe never even came close to challenging for the all time batting average record.
BP is correct; even the shoeless guy had a higher batting average.
To be fair, it looks like 'noone' came by his erroneous information honestly:
http://sinekpartners.typepad.com/refocus/2010/03/are-you-willing-to-strike-out.html
He was an exceptional leftie, but greatest pitcher ever? No way! That was Morphy!
Well, if you look at who did it without a coach and without a computer, and never had a team of seconds for advice, and even when he did have a second, wouldn't let the second analyze the position, it would be Fischer. I don't know if that describes talent, but it definately describes lone determination. Fischer did it by himself, he wasn't a cheater.
fabiano caruana
Aug 21, 2013
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chuckfloyd2011 wrote:
Well, if you look at who did it without a coach and without a computer, and never had a team of seconds for advice, and even when he did have a second, wouldn't let the second analyze the position, it would be Fischer. I don't know if that describes talent, but it definately describes lone determination. Fischer did it by himself, he wasn't a cheater.
Are you calling cheaters to some GMs?
Capablanca
Capablanca, Morphy or Fischer.
After that, probably Tal and Carlsen.
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bigpoison wrote:
nameno1had wrote:
TKACHS wrote:
Some say that Anatoly Karpov was the closest to the kernel of the essence of what chess is about. Yet they complain about that boring top flight consistency of his games in the 70s & 80s. Learned this fact from baseball when Henry Aaron broke all the lifetime career hitting records passing the over touted careers of other not so durable heroes.
In 1923, Babe Ruth broke the record for most home runs in a season. That same year, he also broke the record for highest batting average. There is a third record he broke that year that most people don't know about: In 1923, Babe Ruth struck out more times than any other player in Major League Baseball.
I liken this to looking at certain players' styles in chess. You have to make certain concessions in order to obtain the benefits you think will give you the advantage to win. Tal did this. Petrosian and Karpov also, each in their own way.
Come again? The Babe never even came close to challenging for the all time batting average record.
I wasn't saying that the Babe was one of the best pure hitters like Rogers Hornsby or Ted Williams. What I am saying is that Babe could take advantage of the pitches and situations, because he was a really good hitter. Sure he was a power hitter that pulled his fair share out of the shorter porch in right, but I wouldn't consider him a pull hitter.
After going over dozens and more of game recaps in the news archives, he had a fair share to RCF, center and a fair number to left.
A few teams did put a shift on Ruth but unlike most hitters today who fight the shift, Ruth would at times hit to the left side, the shifts had a short life.
Not only hit to left but at times lay down a bunt One time bunted safely twice in the same game. There are around 40 bunts he laid down, most safe hits.
There could be debates, why lay one down, the other team would rather give Babe a bunt single. Don't agree with that, yes you could take him away from the home run to RF but still, your almost giving him a gift hit, man on base.
Some interesting facts to back up what I am saying. Babe Ruth was a good pitcher :
Babe Ruth Career Pitching Stats – Part 1 of 3
W L ERA GP GS CG GF SVS SOS
1914 BOS Red Sox 2 1 3.91 4 3 1 0 0 0
1915 BOS Red Sox 18 8 2.44 32 28 16 3 1 0
1916 BOS Red Sox 23 12 1.75 44 41 23 3 9 1
1917 BOS Red Sox 24 13 2.01 41 38 35 3 6 2
1918 BOS Red Sox 13 7 2.22 20 19 18 0 1 0
Pretty darn good stats for any pitcher. He must have been a pretty good hitter in order for them to take a guy who had so stats that would make pitchers today drool.
BTW, Babe Ruth, career .342 hitter. Including seasons of .376, .378, .393, .378 again, .372, .356, .359, .373 ..... only 5 times in his 22 seasons did he fail to hit atleast .300 and was close on two of those occassions. Is my assertions still really unfounded in your eyes ?
how about anand - he had lightning speed
maybe alekhine
chesshole wrote:
maybe alekhine
I don't think so. He worked to get good. See Silman's recent article on chess.com.
Aug 21, 2013
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It has to be the youngest GM in the world Karjarkin. He defeated Kasparov when he was still 13 yrs old at Reggio Emilia if I'm not mistaken.
Aug 21, 2013
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WalangAlam wrote:
It has to be the youngest GM in the world Karjarkin. He defeated Kasparov when he was still 13 yrs old at Reggio Emilia if I'm not mistaken.
I couldn´t find a Kasparov - Karjakin game. If you can, please post it.
socialista wrote:
WalangAlam wrote:
It has to be the youngest GM in the world Karjarkin. He defeated Kasparov when he was still 13 yrs old at Reggio Emilia if I'm not mistaken.
I couldn´t find a Kasparov - Karjakin game. If you can, please post it.
Karjakin would have been too young to play Kasparov.
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