Kasparov was a good chessplayer, but he is arrogant I think.
Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??
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Dec 2, 2014
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All the greats are/were arrogant, it comes with the territory. You don't think Bobby was arrogant?
Dec 2, 2014
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Bobby worked the hardest, and he learned by himself without the help of others. He may have been "guided" but its not like he was getting regular lessons or someone was directing his study. He was going through and analyzing collections of master games by himself all the time, to the point of obsession. He was doing this his whole life. This is why he was the best, and would've been the best in any era he was a part of.
Dec 2, 2014
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What does that matter? Kasparov and Carlsen are/were still stronger chess players.
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
All the greats are/were arrogant, it comes with the territory. You don't think Bobby was arrogant?
I have been around Spassky a couple of times and he didn't come across as arrogant at all . Kasparov was the worst in this area that I have been around .
Dec 2, 2014
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Reb wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
All the greats are/were arrogant, it comes with the territory. You don't think Bobby was arrogant?
I have been around Spassky a couple of times and he didn't come across as arrogant at all . Kasparov was the worst in this area that I have been around .
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Dec 2, 2014
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Spassky is an exception to the rule(I've never read a bad word on him, a true gentleman it seems)...I think it's fair to say that most of the truly brilliant chess players are pricks!
trying to determine who was the all time greatest player is a fool's pass time.... just like who was the greatest baseball player or boxer or whatever. fischer was the greatest in his time, karpov in his time, kasparov in his time, etc. now it's mag's time. someday someone will beat him then they will be the greatest.
Chess,Fischer. Baseball,Ruth. Boxing,Ali.
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
Fischer was the best player because he had no trainer, work incredibly hard to become the best player and well rounded player ( he could attack well, play positional position well and incredible endgame player); Bobby did this against strong grandmasters. This is why Fischer is best player of all time, the rest of the current champions had trainers.
I think that reason is kind of lame...it isn't as if Fischer just discovered all his chess knowledge...the guy read hundreds of chess books and of course received guidance from fellow American GM's(such as Larry Evans, among others). Fischer may not have had the backing of an entire regime such as Soviet GM's during the USSR days, but to say that he was "all alone" like some say is an inaccurate exaggeration.
If Kapsarov and Karpov did not get the help from the best trainer they would not been world champion. In Kasparov autobiography, he said he had a hard time beating Petrosian and needed too ask Spassky how to beat Petrosian. Fischer was beating Petrosian before he became world champion. Karpov had similar problem, Petrosian was a problem for Anatoly. The same is with Carlsen, without these trainers Magnus would not became world champion, Kasparov being one them. Fischer did read a lot chess books, magazines and anything connected to chess and you cannot serious compare American players to the Soviets GMs; Bobby was alone and trainer himself to be the best, there will never be a player like him of his greatness. Every grandmaster is regular and Fischer the super grandmaster; that what GM Tal said. Fischer was first player to achieve 2700 and at 1975 was at 2785 Elo. Even when Karpov ten years later could did not go beyond 2720, even with the benefits and help of Botvinnik school of chess.
Wesley So is the only 2700 player not to have a trainer. If he became world champion that would be remarkable and hope he achieve it.Plus Wesley is more exciting player than Magnus, Carlsen is too boring and lazing, won't be world champion, next year I bet he will lose it.
yureesystem wrote:
Fixing_A_Hole wrote:
yureesystem wrote:
Fischer was the best player because he had no trainer, work incredibly hard to become the best player and well rounded player ( he could attack well, play positional position well and incredible endgame player); Bobby did this against strong grandmasters. This is why Fischer is best player of all time, the rest of the current champions had trainers.
I think that reason is kind of lame...it isn't as if Fischer just discovered all his chess knowledge...the guy read hundreds of chess books and of course received guidance from fellow American GM's(such as Larry Evans, among others). Fischer may not have had the backing of an entire regime such as Soviet GM's during the USSR days, but to say that he was "all alone" like some say is an inaccurate exaggeration.
If Kapsarov and Karpov did not get the help from the best trainer they would not been world champion. In Kasparov autobiography, he said he had a hard time beating Petrosian and needed too ask Spassky how to beat Petrosian. Fischer was beating Petrosian before he became world champion. Karpov had similar problem, Petrosian was a problem for Anatoly. The same is with Carlsen, without these trainers Magnus would not became world champion, Kasparov being one them. Fischer did read a lot chess books, magazines and anything connected to chess and you cannot serious compare American players to the Soviets GMs; Bobby was alone and trainer himself to be the best, there will never be a player like him of his greatness. Every grandmaster is regular and Fischer the super grandmaster; that what GM Tal said. Fischer was first player to achieve 2700 and at 1975 was at 2785 Elo. Even when Karpov ten years later could did not go beyond 2720, even with the benefits and help of Botvinnik school of chess.
Ficher was super. No doubt. Magnus might not be at that level. Yet. But he is pretty close, and still young and learning. He doesnt only learn from GM´s. He learns from weaker players too, and he is a world class pupil. Two longchess WC, rapid and blitz WC, rating above 2870. I think it is impressive for a young learning chessplayer, and of course there is more to come.
I believe Magnus also has world class (for chessplayers) oxygencapasity and sleepingcapasity, which is boosting his brainpower.
Magnus have the advantage of growing up in the Norwegian chessenviroment. Here we are helping our opponents analyzing after the games. Nice! And as mentioned, GM Agdestein is a world class teacher, and also the first GM in Norwegian history, and he is not alone. There are other great teachers in Norway, such as IM Ringdal Hanssen, IM Bae ,WGM Dolchykova, GM Vladimir Georgiev, and many others. We are a very tiny country, but the enviroment is supernice.
"Magnus have the advantage of growing up in the Norwegian chessenviroment"
I don't know how much of an advantage that is. Norway only had one single player ranked in the top 100 before Carlsen, and that was quite recently (Agdestein). Compared to for example USA (Morphy, Pillsbury, Marshall, Reshevsky, Fine, and several Olympiad golds), or many Eastern European countries, that pales in comparison with regards to chess history and tradition.
I would say Kasparov. I find him very inspirational and I watch documentaries about him on Youtube. He's still a legend.
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Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:
Chess,Fischer. Baseball,Ruth. Boxing,Ali.
Chess Carlsen, baseball Barry Bonds, Boxing Mike Tyson.
Fischer was the best player because he had no trainer, work incredibly hard to become the best player and well rounded player ( he could attack well, play positional position well and incredible endgame player); Bobby did this against strong grandmasters. This is why Fischer is best player of all time, the rest of the current champions had trainers.
I think that reason is kind of lame...it isn't as if Fischer just discovered all his chess knowledge...the guy read hundreds of chess books and of course received guidance from fellow American GM's(such as Larry Evans, among others). Fischer may not have had the backing of an entire regime such as Soviet GM's during the USSR days, but to say that he was "all alone" like some say is an inaccurate exaggeration.
Even if he was alone, that's hardly a reason to say that he was the greates player of all time. But I do go with Fischer.