Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??

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Priteshrp87

And one more thing for Steinitz fans. Morphy would take Steinitz to the cleaners...

DjonniDerevnja
LarrattGHP9 wrote:

Kasparov had 17 tournament performances of 2820+ compared to Fischer of just 2.

Kasparov had the longest stretch as No.1 ..19.8 years.

 

Fischer had the highest rating ever 2895 chessmetrics rating in 1971.

 

Kasparov had the most top performing years 16.

 

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And of course, once we stop the pretending, and acknowledge that Kasparov did in fact compete, and dominated even the mighty Karpov, then I think it's a no-brainer to answer the overriding question of these articles. If I had to hand out medals for who were the most dominant players of all time, I would give the gold medal to Garry Kasparov, and the silver medal (fittingly) to Anatoly Karpov. And then the bronze medal goes to either Emanuel Lasker or Bobby Fischer, depending on the fine print about whether the most important timeframe is their whole career or their peak year. Admittedly, I think it's pretty clear that for about a year, Bobby Fischer dominated his contemporaries to an extent never seen before or since. It's also clear that if you exclude Kasparov and Karpov from consideration, Emanuel Lasker was number one in the world longer than anyone else, and moves up to the top of the list on several other graphs you have seen throughout the course of these articles. Who deserves the bronze medal. Fischer or Lasker? Lasker or Fischer? And the debate rages on…" Jeff Sonas,

Carlsen is to young to dominate for 19 years, so Kasparov still holds this gold, but I didnt know that Fishers best year was stronger than Carlsens best year. Are you sure? I think Carlsen already has hit the podium, and if he goes on and gets even stronger he can challenge Kasparov in the coming years.

Carlsen is born on the perfect time. He learned and played a lot chess before the computers came to him, and also after. This hybrid-background sounds perfect.

SmyslovFan

Thanks for the link to that story, Larrat! I couldn't find that story when someone claimed Sonas didn't try to compare players of different generations with his "chessmetrics" site. 

camurcu
If computers aren't the best and if fischer wasn't the greatest or capa the most natural then Tal was the most brave and original ever.
Priteshrp87

In terms of raw talent, Morphy...in terms of modern study...carlsen...had Morphy been in this era...he would have taken carlsen to the cleaners...

Priteshrp87

The magnificent american master had the most extraordinary brains that anybody has ever had for chess. Technique, strategy, tactics, knowledge, that are inconceivable for us, all that was possessed by morphy160 yrs ago

LouisSchneider

Bunch of loonies and ignorant people in these forums, you all say Kasparov and Fischer, don't ANY of you realise that between KARPOV and Kasparov, there is a 3 point difference between them? Tilting towards Kasparov... OUT OF 144 WC MATCHES. DOES ANYONE NOT UNDERSTAND THE IMPORTANCE OF THIS? IF YOU SAY KASPAROV IS THE BEST, KARPOV, BY DEFAULT, IS NO LARGE MARGIN BEHIND HIM. Karpov just past his prime when he fought Kasparov, too.

IMHO Karpov was the strongest champion of all time.

Bunch of ignorant tools.

SmyslovFan

Kasparov was like Gretzky and Jordan. All three combined incredible talent with a work ethic that was unmatched by anyone around them at the time. 

That's why Kasparov was the greatest ever. Carlsen may eclipse Kasparov's best long-term ratings (he's already beaten Kasparov's peak rating), but it will take a decade or more for him to match his tournament accomplishments. 

And for the Fischer fans, yes, Fischer worked hard. Yes, he had an Annus mirabilis that lasted about three years. But before 1970 and after 1972, he was merely an extremely promising and bright star.

SmyslovFan

Karpov was great, probably the second best player of all time. But he was consistently eclipsed by Kasparov. Take a look at the link that was provided on the previous page for a clearer picture both of Karpov's greatness and Kasparov's dominance of Karpov.

http://en.chessbase.com/post/the-greatest-che-player-of-all-time-part-iv

camurcu
Karpov reminds me of Botvinnik. Tal of Morphy and Kasparov of Fischer somehow. If Aljechin wasn't too comparable to Capablanca, I couldn't pick one outstanding best player. They all had a genius way of approach. Carlsen is probably the best, but at those heights, being the best doesn't count as much as being original I guess.
SmyslovFan

Every world champion has contributed to our understanding of chess in many ways. (That statement doesn't include those forgettable FIDE tournament champions from 1993-2006.)

Carlsen's approach to the opening and his understanding of how to win "dead drawn positions" against even top-ten opposition is unique. If anyone thinks Carlsen isn't original, they haven't studied Carlsen and his great predecessors. 

Reb

Fischer is the only player in history to win 20 games in a row against GMs , AND  the only player in history to win a candidates match with 100% , he did that twice !  AND the only player in history to win a major national championship with 100% AND the only player in history to win 4 games in a row from GM Tigran Petrosian . I rest my case .  Surprised

SmyslovFan

Was the US national championship really a "major" national championship? Foot in Mouth

Reb

Why wouldnt it be ? Why do you always try to belittle Fischer's accomplishments ? Undecided

The_Ghostess_Lola

He couldn't proved his longevity. Strike Two (Strike One is blatantly obvious).

The_Ghostess_Lola
SmyslovFan wrote:

Was the US national championship really a "major" national championship? 

Hilariously....No !

camurcu
Fischer didn't have many rivals back then. Carlsen must be very paranoic but he persist and resists heroically. Just like Zidane was stronger than Maradonna or Federer than Sampras. Jordan dominated the most but Bryant faced harder competion thus made an 81 point game. Sometimes a single record represents more than an era. No use debating records or stats, the impact of a particular strenght is also measured by its competition.
gentlepsycho

Tal is overpowered

Senior-Lazarus_Long
The_Ghostess_Lola wrote:
SmyslovFan wrote:

Was the US national championship really a "major" national championship? 

Hilariously....No !

Of course it was. 

In the first year of the cycle, every FIDE member nation would hold a national championship, with the top players qualifying for the Zonal tournament. The world was divided into distinct zones, with the USSRUnited States and Canada each being designated a zone, thus qualifiers from these three zones went directly to the Interzonal. Smaller countries would be grouped into a zone with many countries. For example, all of South America and Central America combined originally formed one zone.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

Great players from the US. Reshevsky and Fine were members of the big 8. Evens was a candidate, R. Byrne was a candidate, Fishcer was better than them.