"Kasparov was the top player from 1985-2000"
Who do you think was the top player 2000-05? :-)
Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??
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In 2002 Kasparov had won ten super tournaments in a row, had a 2933 performance in the Olympiad, continued to stay very clear #1 for another three years until retiring after winning Linares for the 9th time. I don't think it's a stretch to say he retired as the best player in the world.
Dec 31, 2016
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#965
"From 1986 until his retirement in 2005, Kasparov was ranked world No. 1 for 225 out of 228 months. His peak rating of 2851, achieved in 1999, was the highest recorded until being surpassed by Magnus Carlsen in 2013. Kasparov also holds records for consecutive professional tournament victories (15)" Wikipedia
So, where did you get your 2933 rating from?
"where did you get your 2933 rating from?"
As I wrote, he had a 2933 performance in the Olympiad (6 wins and 3 draws in his nine first board games).
Robert James "Bobby" Fischer (March 9, 1943 – January 17, 2008) was an American chess grandmaster and the eleventh World Chess Champion. Many consider him to be the greatest chess player of all time. In 1972, he captured the World Chess Championship from Boris Spassky of the USSR in a match held in Reykjavík, Iceland, publicized as a Cold War confrontation, which attracted more worldwide interest than any chess championship before or since. In 1975, Fischer refused to defend his title when an agreement could not be reached with FIDE, the game's international governing body, over one of the conditions for the match. This allowed Soviet GM Anatoly Karpov, who had won the qualifying Candidates' cycle, to become the new world champion by default under FIDE rules.
Dec 31, 2016
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#968
fabelhaft wrote:
"where did you get your 2933 rating from?"
As I wrote, he had a 2933 performance in the Olympiad (6 wins and 3 draws in his nine first board games).
What Olympiad man? He cannot have 2933 since his peak rating is 2851, according with Wikipedia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Korchnoi
He played pretty much every top GM and World Champion between 1950 and 2000, if you want to commemorate legendary player he should be the one.
"He cannot have 2933 since his peak rating is 2851, according with Wikipedia"
So if his peak rating was 2851 you think he could never have any 2933 performances? Carlsen had a 3002 performance in Nanjing 2009 but has never been 2900. Now, if you look att this list you can see Kasparov's performances in the Olympiads:
http://www.olimpbase.org/players/ssimw2af.html
Dec 31, 2016
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#971
In terms of how he compared to modern competition, there was no greater than Bobby Fischer. At his peak, Bobby Fischer was winning most of his games against GMs -including the candidate knockout-rounds leading up to the 1972 championship match- as opposed to getting a few wins among a lot of draws as occurred with GMs in the half-century before and half-century after after his peak.
His mental stability is questionable and his becoming a recluse after winning the title was a tremendous blow to U.S. Chess. Whether he is to be condemned or pitied for his attitude and outlook on life, etc. will be a question for the ages.
I am sick of senseless debating Fisher, and making academic comparisons. I'd put whole queue before him, of top of my head it would go: Alekhine for useless defences and alcoholism, Bronstein for playing with Tal, Tal for Life and Games of Mikhail Tal, Capablanca (talent), Botvinnik - myriad of reasons, Rzeshevsky to piss off Fisher fan-club, Carlsen and Judit Polgar - obviously, and my favourite Miguel Najdorf. And probably few more.
This relentless notion of making Bobby into something more than he was might prove trivial if to confront anyone from above and they achievements with Bobby's , they have contributed to chess history in many more ways than producing endless string of controversies and disputes, and undefended world title.
Also, Wikipedia has page of world chess records, which does mention Fisher. Among others.
Dec 31, 2016
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#973
Some people seem to be confused about tournament performance ratings compared to established ratings. There have been quite a few +2900 tournament performance ratings in history. I could be wrong, but I think Caruana has the record for the best single tournament performance rating at Sinquefield in 2014.
After 7 games, Caruana had a 3592 performance rating! He finished the tournament with 8.5/10 and a TPR of 3103.
https://en.chessbase.com/post/sinquefield-07-he-s-not-making-a-mistake
https://www.chess.com/news/caruana-completes-unbeaten-sinquefield-carlsen-second-9605
Dec 31, 2016
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#974
fabelhaft wrote:
"Kasparov was the top player from 1985-2000"
Who do you think was the top player 2000-05? :-)
It's hard to say who was the top player from 2000-2005. Kramnik was the deserving world champion, having beaten Kasparov in match play, but Kasparov continued to dominate tournaments and had the highest rating. From 1985-2000, there was no question who the best player in the world was.
This wasn't the first time this happened. Botvinnik called himself first among equals.
"It's hard to say who was the top player from 2000-2005"
I think it's very easy :-)
Dec 31, 2016
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#976
fabelhaft wrote:
"It's hard to say who was the top player from 2000-2005"
I think it's very easy :-)
Really? Kramnik beat Kasparov in the most important event those two played in during that period, and had a plus score against Kasparov from 2000-2005 (not including blitz games). While Kasparov won some important and memorable tournaments during that period, Kramnik successfully defended his world title.
Kasparov himself said that Kramnik was the hardest player to beat in the world, and considered retiring from chess after the match.
From 1963-1969, Tigran Petrosian was world champion, but Spassky and Fischer had better tournament results. Is it clear who was the best player in the world during that period too?
"Really? Kramnik" etc
It would be difficult to make the case that Kramnik was the best player in the world 2000-05 just because Kasparov had a bad week or two in their match, just like it would be difficult to say Shirov was better than Kramnik 1998-2005 just because he won their match. Kramnik was simply never anywhere close to be rated #1 as World Champion. Kramnik was given a title match without qualifying for it and outprepared Kasparov. Good enough, but Kasparov was simply the better player as the results show quite clearly. Maybe Kramnik was #3, with Anand as #2.
"While Kasparov won some important and memorable tournaments during that period, Kramnik successfully defended his world title"
Yeah, right, thanks to draw odds against Leko, and the fact that Kasparov and Anand didn't compete in that "cycle" :-)
Magnuts Carlson !
I think its to hard to say. but karpov won more top class tournaments then anyone. and was at the top of his game more years then any other chess player.
Karpov won more tournaments than Kasparov, but he was only the top player from 1975-1985. Kasparov was the top player from 1985-2000.