Jamie, in 1992, Fischer made numerous basic mistakes. Most people viewing the games believed that if Fischer were to start playing regularly again, he wouldn't be so rusty.
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Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??
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Jun 6, 2014
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#123
There are so many different measures of arguing who is the greatest chess player and I don't think it is possible to point out one single player. We have had 16 world champions so far (and FIDE champions) and many other extremely good players like Keres, Bronstein, Larsen, Andersson, Korchnoi, Ivanchuk, Aronian and so on. One their heyday all of them are capable of beating anyone and a true measure of greatness much depends on their longevity to stay at the top, consistency, love for chess and how they compared to players at that time and how much of an appeal they had for the game and helped promote the game.
Jun 6, 2014
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#124
You were right. He considers blitz and bullet to be "variants" of chess. He obviously considers g/30 to be "real" chess, so I have to wonder at what point chess becomes real.
Jun 6, 2014
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SmyslovFan wrote:
Jamie, in 1992, Fischer made numerous basic mistakes. Most people viewing the games believed that if Fischer were to start playing regularly again, he wouldn't be so rusty.
But that was after a 20-year layoff. The question was whether he would have been sharp for Karpov in 1975. I think Fischer would have mauled Karpov.
Keep in mind that Karpov had a difficult time against 43-year old Viktor Korchnoi in the 1974 Candidate finals match (24 games). Karpov faded badly the last six games.
The proposed Fischer match would have been 36 games.
Had Fish gotten all he'd wanted, he'd have cried for more.
Jun 6, 2014
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#128
JpTaladua wrote:
Bobby Fischer is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time
No, my sister. But she chooses not to play.
Jun 6, 2014
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#129
nobodyreally wrote:
JpTaladua wrote:
Bobby Fischer is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time
No, my sister. But she chooses not to play.
LOL
Jun 6, 2014
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cosmicharmonic wrote:
Had Fish gotten all he'd wanted, he'd have cried for more.
Fischer was very knowledgable with the history and development of chess. What he proposed for 1975 was a throwback to how the title was handled prior to FIDE taking control of the title.
Fischer had no need for FIDE. He considered it a corrupt organization (can you blame him?). When he played Spassky in Yugoslavia, the drape on the playing table read, "World Chess Championship," and the banner at the opening dinner read, "The World Chess Championship: Match of Peace."
In Bobby's opinion, Bobby held the title until he was beaten over the board or died.
Jun 6, 2014
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JamieDelarosa wrote:
cosmicharmonic wrote:
Had Fish gotten all he'd wanted, he'd have cried for more.
Fischer was very knowledgable with the history and development of chess. What he proposed for 1975 was a throwback to how the title was handled prior to FIDE taking control of the title.
Fischer had no need for FIDE. He considered it a corrupt organization (can you blame him?). When he played Spassky in the drape on the playing table read, "World Chess Championship," and the banner at the opening dinner read, "The World Chess Championship: Match of Peace."
In Bobby's opinion, Bobby held the title until he was beaten over the board or died.
He was never beaten OTB. He died as the reigning World Chess Champion of the World. R.I.P.
Unfortunately for Bob, we all know he was world champion once, and then forfeited the title like a wussy, and then died a lonely racist bigot has-been on a tiny frozen volcanic island.
Everyone that hates him seem even worse off inside the skull.
Steve212000 wrote:
Siegbert Tarrasch
What about him?
My memory often fails me but I think he only forfeited the FIDE title, not that he forfeited being world champion, he held that opinion to his death. Karpov tried to play a match with him after 1975 but negotiations quickly fell apart. Karpov later stated he never reached his full potential because he never got to play Fisher, never got to push himself to the next level. Anyway, Fisher left the challenge on the table, first to 10 wins, if both had 9 wins he won the match. I think he had a purse clause attached but forget what. Interesting guy and amazing player. The world missed out on a lot of good games from him had he continued playing.
Jun 6, 2014
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learning2mate wrote:
My memory often fails me but I think he only forfeited the FIDE title, not that he forfeited being world champion, he held that opinion to his death. Karpov tried to play a match with him after 1975 but negotiations quickly fell apart. Karpov later stated he never reached his full potential because he never got to play Fisher, never got to push himself to the next level. Anyway, Fisher left the challenge on the table, first to 10 wins, if both had 9 wins he won the match. I think he had a purse clause attached but forget what. Interesting guy and amazing player. The world missed out on a lot of good games from him had he continued playing.
Totally agree. So what if he went downhill in his ideas and behaviour. When he stopped playing that was the single biggest loss the chess world ever experienced.
I agree with comment #2 a little, Bobby Fischer was one heck of a wacko but even if it says 2780, today if he was alive, he would have been 2950+ according to sources.
But yes, everyone loses, Fischer lost to Emmauel Lasker, came up in the chess mentor lesson.
Age certainly plays a factor. There were 12 years between Karpov and Kasparov, and 8 years between Fischer and Karpov. I do think that if the '75 match had happened, Fischer would have prevailed as Karpov was still maturing and not at his peak yet. Of course Fischer would have also been rusty after having not played a single competitive game of chess (at least not professionally) for 3 years. It's reasonable to expect that youth would eventually trump talent and maybe Bobby himself realized the danger to his image that a young Karpov posed
Rusty? Fischer was never "rusty." He lived chess. He constantly studied games.
He had two periods of time where he hardly played at all for years, and came back in stunning form. The best example is in 1970, when he agreed to play 2nd board for the "Rest of the World" team in the match against the Soviet Union. He demolished Petrosian. He had not played a serious game since 1968.
He had previously "dropped out" after the 1963 US Championship (11-0-0), not playing again until the Capablanca Memorial (by telex) in 1965.