lytonn wrote:
@ mcris, You are a rude person, I demand your banishment!
Ignore him, @lytonn. You are far too sensitive.
Who is the greatest chess player of all time ?? Bobby Fischer ??
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Aug 29, 2017
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Having said that, he is right about Fischer, but we will have to live with that, both of us.
@camter, What I say about Fischer is true, correct!
Aug 30, 2017
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lytonn wrote:
@ mcris, You are a rude person, I demand your banishment!
As Camter put it, you are far too sensitive, seek professional help.
Indeed.
Opinions differ from generation to generation, about how strongly the former USSR wanted to hold onto their position as far as chess hegemony was concerned.
Being that Bobby was the first to challenge it, change the culture from even within their "own" players eventually says a lot. Going beyond the play. The game.
Evidently, I don't need to repeat Garry's behavior after the fall
Aug 31, 2017
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this chart should put to rest any question of who the greatest is was and should be...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_top_chess_players_throughout_history
Scroll down to the chart that ranks the players based on 1, 5, 10, 15 and 20 year periods and Kasparov knocks them all out of the park.
One thing most people don't take into consideration, is that Kasparov was the first World champion to play and win against the world's best computer, until the programmers gave it an opening library. World champions, before the computer age, were not the same caliber of player you have today... ask any computer ;D
We can say that a chess computer of the 90s was significantly less strong than a chess engine today, anyway in a 16-game match the best Kasparov would most certainly lose against Stockfish 8 !. Kramnik who is very strong against a chess engine loses in match against this one!
JpTaladua wrote:
Bobby Fischer is considered by many to be the greatest chess player of all time
MAYBE
The further we move away from the time of Bobby Fischer's career, I think it becomes more difficult to perceive just how strong the USSR players and team were - and to appreciate the odds which Bobby Fischer had to overcome playing such a system.
His career was phenomenal. It breaks my heart to think that we never saw more of World Champion Bobby Fischer.
bobby is pretty good
but i am note sure he could win the world cup today
because everyone uses a computer now
and there is help from being a talented player anymore.
anyone can become a GM now
i think i am
SmyslovFan wrote:
but today's elite players really are better than Fischer at his best.
Wrong.
See how easy it is to refute a mere assertion with equally mere gainsaying?
Aanand is greatest player of The world because he won against calersen most and his wining %is most!!!!
Oct 14, 2017
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realgman wrote:
I think
RomyGer
makes a great point, the fact is greatness is defined differently by different people. what appeals to you is how you will judge... Having looked recently at a few of Petrosians game (especially against Hort) he has a claim too, as he was so highly rated for sooooo long (I would be interested to know if he was the strongest over the longest period). and his ability to suffocate an opponent on the board, he never ever seemed in a hurry.
Capablanca as ive said earlier for me the greatest, because he didnt study, and was unbeaten for an incredibly long time, and also that he saw and lived life beyond chess...and no one saw the truth in a position as quickly as he did...
Tal the greatest attacker?
Reti the most innovative, or Nimzowitsch?
Fischer the most determined and biggest character?
RomyGers pick Lasker-The deepest most complex thinker?
Botvinnik the most disciplined?
The history of Chess is full of heroes, and for me its probably the thing I love more than the game itself, the history of those that played it...think Smyslov, a world champion and an opera singer, winning the title (after losing before) from Botvinnik, a world champion and an electrical engineer and computer scientist!!!!
The great artist and the great engineer reach the very top in chess, at the same time...those great minds that seem so different can truly communicate on the chess board..
That always amazes me, chess crosses ALL barriers and meets in the middle; the 'center', where else.... for all who play it!
Excellent post
Finally, he brought more MONEY into the game. In this respect he could be considered the greatest.
How does bringing money into the game make him a great player? And did he do it out of philanthropy towards his fellow chess players or to line his own wallet?
Look up what Eidinow, Brady, Saidy, Evans and others who have lived through those times have to say about the Fischer years or the Fischer boom: for a year or two following Reykjavik it was as though money were falling from the sky; GMs and even some IMs could make a decent living out of chess alone. USCF membership doubled between 1971 and 1973 and peaked in 1974, and stores ran out of chess sets. Chess suddenly moved the front pages. Posters of celebrities ranging from actors to politicians playing chess were everywhere. It wasn't just money, it was exposure... a true phenomenon!
This may all be true, but did RJF ask for all the money that he did out of concern for his fellow chess players or for purely selfish reasons, and the money for the others came as a by-product?
It was a bit of both. Selfish yes, but not purely so. To a certain extent he wanted to upgrade the game as he put it in one interview. Better lighting, larger venues, bigger prizes, better playing conditions in general. He felt that top chess players should be as rich and famous as athletes. And he also felt that the game should receive more publicity and more people should pick up chess, even if only as a past time. So by-product or not, his demands meant improvements for others too not just him, and he must have known it. Not all of these outlasted Fischer himself sadly, but that wasn't Fischer's fault.