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motherinlaw

Hey, trysts, nice brief essay!  Here's my unusual-for-a-girl experience:  I found an old chess set in the attic when I was 14, learned the moves from the one page aricle in our Compton" Picture Encyclopedia, taught my mother to play, played a bunch of games with her, and a few weeks later, when I mentioned this to my math teacher, he invited me to come to the high school chess club meeting.  I walked into a room to see 10 older high school boys.  They all rolled their eyes and smirked, then sat me down across from my first opponent, the club president.  I beat him.  (Now, that was fun.)

Chess is fun. I don't study it.  I enjoy it.  To quote what a wise woman once said: "Good grasshoppers it's just a game!"

motherinlaw
pdela wrote:

egregiously?

"egregious: shocking, appallingterribleawfulhorrendousfrightfulatrocious,

abominableabhorrentoutrageousmonstrousheinousdireunspeakable,

 shamefulunforgivableintolerabledreadfulANTONYMS marvelous."

pdela
shockinn wrote:
zavabee wrote:

This is really a chauvinists thread.

I wonder why chess.com tolerate this kind of talks.

Cuz people are spending time on this thread more than at live chess. And thats all they want. People to spend time on chess.com

Cause the thread is ruled by women, they are all here

pdela
motherinlaw wrote:
pdela wrote:

egregiously?

shockingappallingterribleawfulhorrendousfrightfulatrocious,

abominableabhorrentoutrageousmonstrousheinousdireunspeakable,

 shamefulunforgivableintolerabledreadfulANTONYMS marvelous.

obnoxius?

motherinlaw

ludicrous? Wink

pdela
motherinlaw wrote:

ludicrous? 

who? (TheGrobe)Embarassed

duck29

what?

duck29
trysts wrote:
Laughing

Smile

PhoenixTTD
trysts wrote:
PhoenixTTD wrote:
trysts wrote:

Were you encouraged to wear makeup, pantyhose, and skirts? Why not? Was there some conspiracy against PheonixTTD? Is there some conspiracy against men wearing high heels?? Riiight... What is the real reason men don't wear high heels?

You are looking at it backwards.  Men and women are not exactly the same and people made them different.  The things genders are encouraged to do were inspired by the differences.  Little boys like to play with trucks.  Little girls play with dolls.  A few like homework.  Less like chores.  You cannot make most boys prefer homework over toy trucks by encouraging them.  Toy trucks were invented to go along with normal recreational desires of young boys.  You might find a boy or two who plays with a doll once in a while, but you never find a community where all the boys want to play with dolls all the time.  Makeup and women's clothing is for women to accent the appearance that men do not share.  The different treatment comes from somewhere. 

You're not understanding. You have to understand that chess is nowhere near an option in life for girls. It's not like it's discouraged, it's not talked about at all. I went over 20 years without ever hearing about, thinking about, or really even being aware that there are chess professionals. There aren't even jokes about it growing up. It exists as a game like "Go Fish", or a decorative piece in movies. That's it. Hundereds and hundreds of girls I spoke to and I can't remember even a hint about chess professionals. I didn't know that Russians play chess, that Judit Polgar existed, that there were world chess champions--nothing. I don't remember any book I read that mentioned chess. It was just nowhere to be found in the life of any girl I ever knew growing up. My family had some games including a chess set, but it was like having a deck of cards or some toy.

So girls just didn't play chess seriously when I was growing up. It wasn't a matter of discouragement or encouragement, it didn't even exist as an option.

You are the one that does not understand.  You have to answer why that is?  Why do people not encourage girls in chess?  You'll probably find that the reason is far fewer girls show interest or aptitude.  Sure the exceptions may be caught in the cross fire, but there is not a conspiracy to keep women down.  The sexes are treated differently because they are different.

PhoenixTTD

Several of the people on my team at work started playing chess on their break.  One of them keeps hanging out with a female who sat with him a few times while he played.  I asked her about it and if she was interested in playing.  She said she was not interested...it was boring with no talking and only for guys.  She is Hmong, a culture where they still treat the sexes differently. 

Something that people here do not consider is that our idea that the sexes are equal is as much a part of our culture as their ideas are a part of theirs.  When you are inside it, it feels more like fact than just a passing fad of a few generations.  Right now we are overreacting to what Hitler did.  However it means there are things about ourselves we cannot learn.  Someday it would be good if we get to the point where we can deal with reality without going Nazi or doing other stupid things.  There are clearly differences in gender and races.  We really don't know what they are.  Maybe the education systems only work best for men and women would be just as successful if they had an education system built for how they learn.  Maybe men just have a higher average intelligence or most of the outliers.  Maybe women just have different drives.  Answers to these questions may lead to better lives for everyone, but we won't get to the answers if we are scared of them.

trysts
motherinlaw wrote:

Hey, trysts, nice brief essay!  Here's my unusual-for-a-girl experience:  I found an old chess set in the attic when I was 14, learned the moves from the one page aricle in our Compton" Picture Encyclopedia, taught my mother to play, played a bunch of games with her, and a few weeks later, when I mentioned this to my math teacher, he invited me to come to the high school chess club meeting.  I walked into a room to see 10 older high school boys.  They all rolled their eyes and smirked, then sat me down across from my first opponent, the club president.  I beat him.  (Now, that was fun.)

Chess is fun. I don't study it.  I enjoy it.  To quote what a wise woman once said: "Good grasshoppers it's just a game!"

That's a neat storyLaughing

SandyJames

Here we go again! This must be like the millionth thread on women and chess.

Hi trysts, long time! 

ab121705
SandyJames wrote:

Here we go again! This must be like the millionth thread on women and chess.

Hi trysts, long time! 

I agree. The final answer is "Who knows, who cares? Let's all just enjoy the game."

theoreticalboy
PhoenixTTD wrote:

 Right now we are overreacting to what Hitler did.

Oh, nothing really, I just wanted to point this out.

SandyJames

Exactly, ab121705, people are still trapped in this gender thing. It's gone, it's dead. Move on!

ab121705
SandyJames wrote:

Exactly, ab121705, people are still trapped in this gender thing. It's gone, it's dead. Move on!

Amen! :) 

trysts
PhoenixTTD wrote:
 

You are the one that does not understand.  You have to answer why that is?  Why do people not encourage girls in chess?  You'll probably find that the reason is far fewer girls show interest or aptitude.  Sure the exceptions may be caught in the cross fire, but there is not a conspiracy to keep women down.  The sexes are treated differently because they are different.

Why don't people encourage girls to become professional chess players? Because it's an esoteric career choice. Parents discover that their child has a unique interest in the game. One or both of the parents were probably interested in the game to begin with. It comes down to the individual. It's not an endeavor upon which males can rejoice about being superior to females. Stick with weight-lifting or murder if you want to giggle to yourself about being superior.

trysts
SandyJames wrote:

Here we go again! This must be like the millionth thread on women and chess.

Hi trysts, long time! 

Hi, SandyJames!Smile

trysts
theoreticalboy wrote:
PhoenixTTD wrote:

 Right now we are overreacting to what Hitler did.

Oh, nothing really, I just wanted to point this out.

Yeah, I didn't really understand that?

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