Martin vs The world Analysis thread

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Ry, the answer from Martin, on our DB capturing the Queen robbing us of our pawn on f7, is the capture of the Queen is legal. Martin would not try to take that f7 pawn because the DB is allowed to capture her, even though the DB would travel off the 7th rank, exposing our King for an instant, before capturing her.

Correct?

Martin's reply confused me because the Kings and Queens were reversed in his explanation.

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Also, in my last diagram, second continuation (beginning as 3. Rb1)… at the end we would not play 6.  … Qc6.  Instead we would play 6.  … Kb8 and not lose a pawn.

Still need to do more analysis.  Working on it.

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A few more examples from our current position...

So, it looks like we are safe to play Kc7 for our current move.

Only move I haven't looked at is 3. Bxb3, but it looks like:

3. Bxb3 g6 4. Rcd1 Rad8 5. Rxa6 (disaster for Martin), 5. Rxd8 Rxd8 6. Rd6 RxR,PxR,KxP, 6. Rxd8 Kxd8 and we're better off ever so slightly.

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rychessmaster1 wrote:
So we have a chance?

Yes, and we can play Kc7 (as Qc7 on Martin's Official Board) and his momentum will not hold.  Can't guarantee that it will work out for us, but we Hold against all odds.  Can't believe it, myself.

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My vote is Kc7. (when played on Martin's Official Board, Qc7)

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rychessmaster1 wrote:

Good thing that the queen would be hanging, otherwise in the #571 line, you had missed 5. Rxd7+!(in the 4. Qxf7 Rf8 line)

I'll have to look at that, but you can see how Martin could easily make small inaccuracies by himself, whereas the contributions of all "the World" catch the small minutia.

Many times we've been about to play a move and someone out of nowhere catches an oversight of ours.

Can't believe we're back in this game.

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rychessmaster1 wrote:

Good thing that the queen would be hanging, otherwise in the #571 line, you had missed 5. Rxd7+!(in the 4. Qxf7 Rf8 line)

Yes, had missed that, and now I understand the meaning of your expression 'that the Queen would be hanging' which means she's captured "in a noose" — so to speak — by the Bishop, just in the nick of time.  (rather than have the Bishop 'be hanging')

Skin of our teeth, this whole game, and relying on the "kindness of strangers." ~ Streetcar Named Desire

Explains the urgency of your post to Martin earlier today.

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Looking closer at the whole #571, and I'm not liking it when 3. Qe7+ is played.  It's not solved entirely, now that Ry brought up the Rxd7+.  Looking at it to make sure.  It's a deja vu thing analysis for me.

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Still vote Kc7, and let the chips fall where they will.

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Current Position (Black to Move)

Well, Martin is on the expected line…

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rychessmaster1 wrote:
So the idea is Rad8, right?

Yes, that's what I thought would work… but it doesn't.

Let me look at this for an hour.

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Yes, we have to play Rad8… forced, or we lose our Queen; I think we're going to get bitten, here.

The good news is… Martin will play immediately:  he's expecting our only move.

Play right away, ry, maybe Martin will do something unexpected.

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rychessmaster1 wrote:
What’s wrong exactly?

I'm not exactly sure.  (In all of the combos, I came across it.)

I'm looking for it.  But Rad8 was forced, so we're doing the right thing for the time being.

Our next move will be the make of break.

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It definitely looks like there might be tactics for Martin. Something like 

c5 Qb5 (forced)

c6 and Qe7+ is a massive threat

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Martin definitely has a win, the question is just if he will find it

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Ok he didn't play c5 that's good

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Current Position (Black to Move)

 

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Ok Bd7 looks pretty much forced

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Or is Rd7 any good

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Ok, Martin came down with the Queen too soon!  He had a better move.