What if there were 2 kings in each side and with 0 queens on the board

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Hi friends, Introducing myself, I'm Pranav. We play chess normally. There are some variants like 4 player chess and doubles bughouse. But how about we create one. Why not 2 kings in one side in a ordinary chess which means 4 kings in a game and no queens. Other pieces have normal power and if 1 king is checkmated. The whole game is over. We can have teams as well. For teams, we can have equal number of members on each side. So this is my idea. What do you think. It would be a longer match and some fun as well. So, Farewell. Comment how is my Idea and try giving me Ideas to try to create this variant which everyone can play and have fun. 

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2 kings? It's like a woman having 2 husbands LOL. Maybe they are gay kings with no queens? LOL 🤣

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Would you keep the rules wrt check/mate/stalemate? They might be extra confusing with 2 Kings.

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Ya got to kill twice to win 😁

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It would be too easy to checkmate since you will be able to give checks everywhere.
A better rule is that you win when the last king has been checkmated. So you capture the first, then have to checkmate the other.
I think queenless variants are interesting.
My own suggestion would be to add the possibility for an extra king on pawn promotion.
So it would be normal chess with added feature of king promotion.

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Poda-Poda-Punnaku wrote:

Ya got to kill twice to win 😁

 

I agree, that's definitely better!

One nice thing about my suggestion of king promotion is that when you're in trouble, you may be able to promote to a king and simply let the threatened king get captured. And all of a sudden you're castled on the other side of the boardhappy.png It will change the game in subtle ways.

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Poda-Poda-Punnaku wrote:

2 kings? It's like a woman having 2 husbands LOL. Maybe they are gay kings with no queens? LOL 🤣

 

According to that logic, queen promotion should also be abolished. It's genderist!
Actually, there's a point to it. I vote yes, only bishop/knight/rook and king promotion.

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Spartan Chess features this, for the Spartan army. (It is an asymmetric game; white (the Persians) play with a regular FIDE army.) The Spartans have two Kings, and white needs to capture both of them to win. There is an extra rule that after each move you must at least have one King that is not threatened (even though it is of course impossible to capture them both in a single move).

All other pieces in the Spartan army are unorthodox ones, even the Pawns, to get a well-balanced game. The Spartan Pawns can promote to King.

I once designed a variant 'Pink Chess', where one player has two Kings and no Queen, and the other has two Queens and no King. Where you need to capture both Kings to win, or just a single Queen.

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There is a variant with something like a crown prince. When that piece promote there are 2 kings you have to take. before winning.

I beleave that's the version 35 by 35 squares

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My idea. Based on real history. There are decoy kings in history. I call it Decoy Roy (Roy as in Royal).

9x9 board.

2 Kings, 1 regular Queen.

The 2 Kings are identical. One is real and one is fake. You don't know which one.

You have to kill the real King to win the game.

If your Queen checks a King and it doesn't move. Do you take the King, or is it a bluff? Would you lose a Queen for a fake King?


And also the Knights and Bishops can be arranged any way as long as you have opposite colored bishops.


But I thought about it. However clever it is, it will not be an improvement over current chess.

The allure of chess is its predictability.


Decoy Roy is inspired by real history and science fiction where you have to decipher which is the real and which is the impostor.

Buck Rogers: The Hand of the Goral is the direct inspiration.

It is the ultimate test for Buck Rogers and his friends.

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Poda-Poda-Punnaku wrote:

2 kings? It's like a woman having 2 husbands LOL. Maybe they are gay kings with no queens? LOL 🤣

Chaturanga started out with King and Vizier.

That is the norm.

As in President and Vice President.

First Lady is only an honorary title.


In Chinese Chess, there is 1 "King" and 2 "Queens".


In Decoy Roy, the board would be 9 x 9.

The Queen will be in the middle and there are 2 Kings on each side. One King is real and one King is fake.

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long_quach wrote:
Poda-Poda-Punnaku wrote:

2 kings? It's like a woman having 2 husbands LOL. Maybe they are gay kings with no queens? LOL 🤣

Chaturanga started out with King and Vizier.

That is the norm.

As in President and Vice President.

First Lady is only an honorary title.

Star Trek failed pilot, the Cage.

King and Queen. Captain Pike and Number One.

Regular Star Trek. King and Vizier. Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock. That is the most famous.

Star Trek The Next Generation. King and Vizier.

Star Trek Voyager. Switch-a-roo. Queen and Vizier.

Star Trek Deep Space Nine. King and Queen.

Star Trek Enterprise. Goes back to the original formula. Combining Mr. Spock and Number One in Subcommander T'Pol.

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Decoy Kings are in real life and in plenty of fiction.

In Superman II,

Star Wars: The Phantom Menace, etc.

Guys. That's what you have to do.

When you invent a new rule for chess, have it rooted in reality. That's how the first chess was created.

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zone_chess wrote:

It would be too easy to checkmate since you will be able to give checks everywhere.
A better rule is that you win when the last king has been checkmated. So you capture the first, then have to checkmate the other.
I think queenless variants are interesting.
My own suggestion would be to add the possibility for an extra king on pawn promotion.
So it would be normal chess with added feature of king promotion.

My idea is better than both.

1. Kill one King, wins.

2. Kill two Kings to win.

3. Mine. Kill the real King and win.

And a pawn can promote to a fake King. There can be 3 Kings on the board. And if they do a do-si-do, you won't know which one is which.

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In chess ever piece except the king is women, cuz you can promote to queens

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If we could promote to a king would the pawns be male or female?