CHALLENGE!! Chess 960 opening position advantage?!

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SaharanKnight

In another forum begun by someone else, I gave out a challenge... and to continue that challenge, I decided to open a new forum.  This is a challenge concerning the debate about opening position advantage in Chess 960, and anyone is welcome here to give or receive such a challenge.

My challenge continues: challenge me with an opening position where EITHER SIDE SEEMS CAPABLE OF GAINING AN ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN WHITE’S INITIAL HALF-TEMPO! 

An opening position was given, SP864 BBQR-KRNN, with White's challenge move of 1.Ng3.  So far, we have gotten to the third move: 1.Ng3 Nf6 2.Nf5 Nh5 3.d4! to which I am preparing a reply.  Initially, I was thinking of going 4 or 5 moves, but we shall see...

SaharanKnight
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bemweeks

I arrived prepared to play the variation in the diagram: 1.Ng3 Nf6 2.Nf5 Nh5 3.d4 f6 4.g4 g6, and now 5.Nxe7, if 5...Kxe7 6.gxh5. Now I see that you have a second variation 3.d4 d5, before the diagram.

Which is it, 3...f6 or 3...d5? - Mark

SaharanKnight

I regret that I have been sitting on this for many weeks, in fact. In quote #2, I had presented a continuation, but I got it mixed up (thus Mark's question) ... and then I came up with a better continuation.  And then I just sat on it!  The forthcoming solution below...

SaharanKnight

An opening position was given, SP864 BBQR-KRNN, with White's challenge move of 1.Ng3.  I think I am satisfied -- finally!! -- with the best continuation:


bemweeks
SaharanKnight wrote:

An opening position was given, SP864 BBQR-KRNN, with White's challenge move of 1.Ng3.  I think I am satisfied -- finally!! -- with the best continuation:

Castling O-O-O is suicide in this SP. Black will have to move two Pawns to develop the Bishops. Meanwhile White will castle O-O and launch a Pawn attack on the other flank. Once the White Pawns open a few lines, the Black King will be a sitting duck for White's pieces.

If Black doesn't castle O-O, the King will either stay in the center or retreat to that side on foot. Either way, it's the equivalent of being a Pawn down. - Mark

SaharanKnight

@bemweeks: If it was played out for maybe 6-7 moves, we should have a good idea of what you are saying...  This kind of talk needs proposed moves, unless one is a GM with 10 moves figured out already.  For the rest of us, we need to see it - at 6-7 moves, we can figure out the remaining 3-4 moves!!

Zsofia_D

What is going on?

SaharanKnight
Zsofia_D wrote:

What is going on?

(Post #1) "My challenge continues: challenge me with an opening position where EITHER SIDE SEEMS CAPABLE OF GAINING AN ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN WHITE’S INITIAL HALF-TEMPO! 

An opening position was given, SP864 BBQR-KRNN, with White's challenge move of 1.Ng3."

bemweeks
SaharanKnight wrote:

@bemweeks: If it was played out for maybe 6-7 moves, we should have a good idea of what you are saying...  This kind of talk needs proposed moves, unless one is a GM with 10 moves figured out already.  For the rest of us, we need to see it - at 6-7 moves, we can figure out the remaining 3-4 moves!!

You don't have to be a GM to evaluate the advantages and disadvantages of castling to a particular side. Players do this all the time in traditional chess (SP518 RNBQKBNR), especially when castling O-O-O, which is less frequent in SP518.

You also don't have to calculate all lines exactly to evaluate castling. This is nearly impossible to do early in the game when the two sides have so many options on each move.

Castling to opposite sides is especially important to evaluate at the time castling is executed. The game is often a race to see which Pawn attack arrives first. In the current SP, it is easy to see who wins the race if Black castles O-O-O. It will be a slaughter. - Mark

pbeckett

sp864:surely Black has erred on move 1 if 2.Nf5 is so good(looks v gd to me).

1...d5 is my choice(10 mins thought).

P.S. Mark Weeks' blog on Chess960 has plenty 'food for thought' and is excellent.

loafes

I'm fairly knew to chess.com and and love the idea of chess960 correspondence. so I open a game to find myself on the black side of QNRBKNBR and my opponent plays 1.b3! and suddenly on move 1 I'm stumped. black is forced to play 1...Ne6?! 1...f6 or attempt a gambit I'm looking into know with 1...e5!? 1...Ne6?! can't be good because it blocks blacks e pawn which will probably want to advance in this position and also makes it very difficult to develop both of blacks bishops. 1...f6 is probably best but it weakens blacks kingside and black may have wanted to develop the DSB via this diagonal finally 1...e5!? is probably unsound but might be playable between club strength players so I'm going to look into it. I don't know. This position just seems like 1.b3 easily gives white an advantage.