BTW, according to GM Kaufman's database work, the advantage of the first move in the traditional start position is a half-tempo. There's no guarantee this applies to the other 959 positions, but it's a good reference point. - Mark
Do you find chess960 challenging or fun?
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I only play chess for fun, so 960 is fun for me. I like that there are no scripted openings. You actually have to think before your first move-analyzing the given starting position, and, what will happen when I castle.
hmmmm, I find it fun too.
Jul 22, 2013
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#25
@Saharanknight
The whole reason white has an advantage is because he has a tempo. To say "white has no advantage other than the tempo" is like me saying money is worthless, other than to buy things.
If 960 doesn't improve your chess, chances are regular chess doesn't improve your chess.
Jul 26, 2013
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#27
condude2 wrote:
@Saharanknight
The whole reason white has an advantage is because he has a tempo. To say "white has no advantage other than the tempo" is like me saying money is worthless, other than to buy things.
Just look at the context of this quote -- a reply to the post that says that one side may have other advantages, okay?
Jul 26, 2013
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#28
The challenge that I gave was simply for a 960 starting position… so please! let’s not have White starting off with a second-rate move! With the SP864 BBQR-KRNN given by Mark, he proposed 1.Ng3. That knight move has a certain menace to it but it does not appear the strongest first move, so I will deal with that after first giving the strongest moves, as I see it.
Jul 26, 2013
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#29
bemweeks wrote:
BTW, according to GM Kaufman's database work, the advantage of the first move in the traditional start position is a half-tempo. There's no guarantee this applies to the other 959 positions, but it's a good reference point. - Mark
I would agree.
Jul 26, 2013
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#30
CHALLENGE DEFENDED #1: SP864 BBQR-KRNN : EQUALITY with 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6
This strongest 1.d4 opening allows quick Queen defense and King exit from checkmate or otherwise quick castling O-O as defense. Position after 2…Nf6: Equal, with no advantage for either side, as I see it! Remember, the challenge was for anyone to give me an OPENING POSITION WHERE EITHER SIDE HAS AN ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN TEMPO…
Jul 26, 2013
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#31
CHALLENGE DEFENDED #1: SP864 BBQR-KRNN : EQUALITY with 1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6
Jul 26, 2013
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#32
Of course, with a weaker first White move, Black (later edit) possibly will get an advantage -- but my challenge is only for the strongest moves, to show that neither side has an advantage, other than half-tempo. I thought that 1.Ng3, as proposed, might be a weaker move, especially if the menace of Ng3-Nh5 is carried out early, as follows:
Jul 26, 2013
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#33
SaharanKnight wrote:
Of course, with a weaker move, White possibly will get an advantage -- but my challenge is only for the strongest moves, to show that neither side has an advantage, other than half-tempo. I thought that 1.Ng3, as proposed, might be a weaker move, especially if the menace of Ng3-Nh5 is carried out early
Re 'with a weaker move, White possibly will get an advantage', this is contrary to chess logic. Please explain.
Re your suggested variation 1.Ng3 d5 2.c4 Ng6, you've ignored the main threat. White now plays 3.Nf5 (instead of 3.Nh5). How do you continue? - Mark
Jul 28, 2013
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#34
My initial reaction, without more than a minute's analysis, is that 3.Nf5 should bring the 3...Nf4 response by Black threatening checkmate.
Hmmmm, ok
SaharanKnight wrote:
My initial reaction, without more than a minute's analysis, is that 3.Nf5 should bring the 3...Nf4 response by Black threatening checkmate.
Good thought but:
4.Nxg7+ Kd7 {forced} 5.e3 Nxg2+ 6. Ke2 {forced} b6 {black has run out of steam} 7.Nf3 +- {black's g2 knight is trapped}
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Jul 28, 2013
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#38
SaharanKnight wrote:
My initial reaction, without more than a minute's analysis, is that 3.Nf5 should bring the 3...Nf4 response by Black threatening checkmate.
If you are only willing to spend a minute analyzing a complicated tactical position, then go one move deep in your analysis, you might as well not bother. Thanks, anyway, for your thoughts. - Mark
Jul 28, 2013
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#39
glider1001 wrote:
SaharanKnight wrote:
My initial reaction, without more than a minute's analysis, is that 3.Nf5 should bring the 3...Nf4 response by Black threatening checkmate.
Good thought but:
4.Nxg7+ Kd7 {forced} 5.e3 Nxg2+ 6. Ke2 {forced} b6 {black has run out of steam} 7.Nf3 +- {black's g2 knight is trapped}
Threatening 8.Rg1. Black is in trouble and might have to sacrifice a Pawn with 7...d4 to avoid losing the Knight. On top of a Pawn down, Black's King is more exposed than White's. This line looks very bad for Black.
What do you think about the 1...g6 variation given earlier? - Mark
Jul 29, 2013
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#40
bemweeks wrote:
SaharanKnight wrote:
My initial reaction, without more than a minute's analysis, is that 3.Nf5 should bring the 3...Nf4 response by Black threatening checkmate.
If you are only willing to spend a minute analyzing a complicated tactical position, then go one move deep in your analysis, you might as well not bother. Thanks, anyway, for your thoughts. - Mark
No, I often don't look more than a minute or two at a position on the computer, because the screen is a sort of distraction for me. So I plan to look carefully at the position on a chessboard, as is my habit.
And I really appreciate this challenge, Mark... for me, this is the best sort of forum activity. Thanks.
SHOW ME AN OPENING POSITION WHERE EITHER SIDE HAS AN ADVANTAGE OTHER THAN TEMPO.
Here are two positions for you: SP864 BBQRKRNN & SP868 QBBRKRNN. White opens with 1.Ng3. How do you continue? - Mark
ATTENTION! THIS IS NOT MY DEFINITIVE ANSWER! I just saw this, and I will try to have a more definitive answer in a day or two... After looking at position SP864 BBQR-KRNN for less than 5 minutes, I came up with this 1...g6 as Black's reply to 1.Ng3. The continuation might go as follows: 2.b3 Nf6 3.d3 O-O. But I think that it is very probable that I may come up with another, better, answer shortly.