Unless you open up the position most of the time its closed and if you do open up the position, there is alotta draw back to it.
Nobodyisallowed wrote:
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Na, bishops are better than knights. FACT.
Oct 16, 2013
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#4
I understand that and i respect your opinion but it is harder for your bishops to gain a open diagnol.
harryz wrote:
i dont want this thread to be an argument over knights and bishops, so lets just say its a matter of opinion
returnofxpchesser wrote:
I understand that and i respect your opinion but it is harder for your bishops to gain a open diagnol.
harryz wrote:
i dont want this thread to be an argument over knights and bishops, so lets just say its a matter of opinion
You don't randomly gain an open diagonal, you create one.
Oct 16, 2013
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.25 ahead of what. Havent you noticed the position when you play the begining your knights are mostly active , they are the ones you open up 1st, then the bishops. Either way both you and your opponents bishops are aimed at each other.
harryz wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Na, bishops are better than knights. FACT.
according to computers its like 0.25 ahead
Oct 16, 2013
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#7
Give an example of one of your games please
Scottrf wrote:
returnofxpchesser wrote:
I understand that and i respect your opinion but it is harder for your bishops to gain a open diagnol.
harryz wrote:
i dont want this thread to be an argument over knights and bishops, so lets just say its a matter of opinion
You don't randomly gain an open diagonal, you create one.
its relative can you steer the game into closed lines to enable your knights to shine or open ones that allow bishops to prevail on a personnal note i like a knight in the endgame as it can attack any square just be wary of it getting trapped on the edge with an opponents king looming for horsemeat
Oct 16, 2013
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#9
Computers dont mean nothing. I analyzed a position from one of the grandmaster games even though he was down .50 points in the game in the end he still had the advantage and great position.
harryz wrote:
returnofxpchesser wrote:
.25 ahead of what. Havent you noticed the position when you play the begining your knights are mostly active , they are the ones you open up 1st, then the bishops. Either way both you and your opponents bishops are aimed at each other.
harryz wrote:
Scottrf wrote:
Na, bishops are better than knights. FACT.
according to computers its like 0.25 ahead
i meant .25 ahead of a knight. knight is 3 points, and bishop is 3.25
returnofxpchesser wrote:
Give an example of one of your games please
The value of a knight (move 22), look what effect the knight on h5 has:
http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=61000890
Move 33. My bishop is controlling a lot of important kingside squares (notably h8). http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=61008184
I'd give my left "knight" for a good bishop!
Oct 16, 2013
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Scottrf wrote:
Na, bishops are better than knights. FACT.
Most of the time. There are exceptions. Two knights cannot force checkmate against a lone king. Two bishops do this easily. Sometimes, however, a knight can be equal to a rook. Bishops rarely so.
The imbalance between knights and bishops is at the heart of chess strategy. Saying that knights are better, clearly or more often, however, is simply wrong.
The ending of this game shows a bishop dominating a knight with pawns on both sides. However, it helps that White also has an extra pawn, something that the bishop helped make possible.
Oct 16, 2013
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#13
Sorry bud this is standardized chess the answers im looking for is 960 variation, like i said in the 960 variation half the time most games are closed games especially in the beginning part of 960 play.
But im having a hard time playing 960 thats why im looking for some opinions. Unless someone otherwise shows me some 960 games, ill gladly take into account that bishops are supreme in 960 play.
Scottrf wrote:
returnofxpchesser wrote:
Give an example of one of your games please
The value of a knight (move 22), look what effect the knight on h5 has:
http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=61000890
Move 33. My bishop is controlling a lot of important kingside squares (notably h8). http://www.chess.com/echess/game?id=61008184
Oct 22, 2013
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#14
The knights vs bishops issue, I think, has ONE PREEMINENT FACT. I will ask you, how many squares does each control when placed at the center (d4/d5/e4/e5)? Answer: The bishop controls SIX more squares than the knight IF (a big if!) all its diagonals are open.
Oct 22, 2013
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#15
In general, beginners favor knights. As players become stronger, their preference shifts.
Oct 22, 2013
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#16
Well, anyone will favor knights over bishops, maybe 3-1, for making moves 2 and 3 in the opening, Chess 960 included. There is a theoretical reason for that, a simple reason and a longer reasoning. So why? This is the third or fourth time that I have brought up this question on chess.com, but nobody has given even the simple reason up until now. Come on!!
Oct 22, 2013
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#17
Maybe you need to break your reasoning down a lil more. So people can understand it better.
SaharanKnight wrote:
Well, anyone will favor knights over bishops, maybe 3-1, for making moves 2 and 3 in the opening, Chess 960 included. There is a theoretical reason for that, a simple reason and a longer reasoning. So why? This is the third or fourth time that I have brought up this question on chess.com, but nobody has given even the simple reason up until now. Come on!!
Bishops are slightly better,especially in the endgame.
SaharanKnight wrote:
Well, anyone will favor knights over bishops, maybe 3-1, for making moves 2 and 3 in the opening, Chess 960 included. There is a theoretical reason for that, a simple reason and a longer reasoning. So why? This is the third or fourth time that I have brought up this question on chess.com, but nobody has given even the simple reason up until now. Come on!!
It is often easier to figure out early on where your knights should go than where your bishops should go. This may not always be the case in Chess 960, but is likely to be true more often than not. I guess this is the theoretical reason?
For the simple reason: maybe the bishop is still blocked in on move 2 or 3?
Ive noticed in the number of games that knights must be somewhat greater than bishops, since this randomized game is 90 percent of the time closed. Do any of you agree, its like you lose tempos by shuffling your bishops around.