For you chess historians out there, when's the last time a World Champion got flagged in a Classical Time Control game (even though this game was Chess960)?
Magnus Got Flagged by Naka in Fischer Random Chess on Day 4!!!
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Feb 12, 2018
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SeniorPatzer wrote:
For you chess historians out there, when's the last time a World Champion got flagged in a Classical Time Control game (even though this game was Chess960)?
That's a good question, David. In the 1970s and 1980s tournaments, before the days of digital clocks, I lost on time more than once under the 40/100 time control because I'm too much the perfectionist, and quite honestly, I didn't know what the hell I was doing in the position. I have since learned. Obviously, not knowing what to do is not the case with these two.
I'm not sure the FIDE rules, but under USCF rules Magnus could have stopped the clock and claimed insufficient losing chances. Magnus is the more naturally talented player and Nakamura saw a chance for a cheapo so he didn't fall even further behind. I don't like it, but it's part of the game. So it goes.
By the way, "...both players are playing with a heart rate monitor and their heart rates are televised" is gimmicky nonsense, but Chess.com loves appealing to the peanut gallery.
fightingbob wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
For you chess historians out there, when's the last time a World Champion got flagged in a Classical Time Control game (even though this game was Chess960)?
That's a good question, David. In the 1970s and 1980s tournaments, before the days of digital clocks, I lost on time more than once under the 40/100 time control because I'm too much the perfectionist, and quite honestly, I didn't know what the hell I was doing in the position. I have since learned. Obviously, not knowing what to do is not the case with these two.
I'm not sure the FIDE rules, but under USCF rules Magnus could have stopped the clock and claimed insufficient losing chances. Magnus is the more naturally talented player and Nakamura saw a chance for a cheapo so he didn't fall even further behind. I don't like it, but it's part of the game. So it goes.
By the way, "...both players are playing with a heart rate monitor and their heart rates are televised" is gimmicky nonsense, but Chess.com loves appealing to the peanut gallery.
When Magnus got down to the last minute with King, Rook, and Bishop versus Naka's King and Rook, I don't think the USCF Rules about insufficient winning chances would apply. Because after all, it's possible for a player to blunder away his/her rook and bishop away, and then King and Rook is able to mate the other player's King.
Feb 12, 2018
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There was no delay no increment (I think) so it's easy to flag someone. If you have more time you just move back and forth and eventually the opponent flags. I think there was a tiebreaker game in a women's world championship that was blitz, no delay/increment and one player was down a full queen but just huddled all of her pieces, moved her king back and forth, and won on time. I won a tournament game that was G/30 d/0 in an opposite colored bishop ending where I was a pawn down and there was a fortress by just moving my bishop back and forth about 30 times until my opponent flagged. I think no delay/increment is stupid and I don't play it on chess.com for just that reason.
Feb 13, 2018
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SeniorPatzer wrote:
fightingbob wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
For you chess historians out there, when's the last time a World Champion got flagged in a Classical Time Control game (even though this game was Chess960)?
That's a good question, David. In the 1970s and 1980s tournaments, before the days of digital clocks, I lost on time more than once under the 40/100 time control because I'm too much the perfectionist, and quite honestly, I didn't know what the hell I was doing in the position. I have since learned. Obviously, not knowing what to do is not the case with these two.
I'm not sure the FIDE rules, but under USCF rules Magnus could have stopped the clock and claimed insufficient losing chances. Magnus is the more naturally talented player and Nakamura saw a chance for a cheapo so he didn't fall even further behind. I don't like it, but it's part of the game. So it goes.
By the way, "...both players are playing with a heart rate monitor and their heart rates are televised" is gimmicky nonsense, but Chess.com loves appealing to the peanut gallery.
When Magnus got down to the last minute with King, Rook, and Bishop versus Naka's King and Rook, I don't think the USCF Rules about insufficient winning chances would apply. Because after all, it's possible for a player to blunder away his/her rook and bishop away, and then King and Rook is able to mate the other player's King.
Not having seen the game and the material left on each side near the end, I assumed Magnus was way ahead from your initial post. You wrote "Game position was Opposite-Colored Bishops with one rook each and Magnus was up a pawn with two connected passers on the queen side, and Naka with just a lone center pawn." so I went on that setup. Now that you present the piece configuration for both sides, you are correct that insufficient losing chances does not apply. Details are important.
fightingbob wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
fightingbob wrote:
SeniorPatzer wrote:
For you chess historians out there, when's the last time a World Champion got flagged in a Classical Time Control game (even though this game was Chess960)?
That's a good question, David. In the 1970s and 1980s tournaments, before the days of digital clocks, I lost on time more than once under the 40/100 time control because I'm too much the perfectionist, and quite honestly, I didn't know what the hell I was doing in the position. I have since learned. Obviously, not knowing what to do is not the case with these two.
I'm not sure the FIDE rules, but under USCF rules Magnus could have stopped the clock and claimed insufficient losing chances. Magnus is the more naturally talented player and Nakamura saw a chance for a cheapo so he didn't fall even further behind. I don't like it, but it's part of the game. So it goes.
By the way, "...both players are playing with a heart rate monitor and their heart rates are televised" is gimmicky nonsense, but Chess.com loves appealing to the peanut gallery.
When Magnus got down to the last minute with King, Rook, and Bishop versus Naka's King and Rook, I don't think the USCF Rules about insufficient winning chances would apply. Because after all, it's possible for a player to blunder away his/her rook and bishop away, and then King and Rook is able to mate the other player's King.
Not having seen the game and the material left on each side near the end, I assumed Magnus was way ahead from your initial post. You wrote "Game position was Opposite-Colored Bishops with one rook each and Magnus was up a pawn with two connected passers on the queen side, and Naka with just a lone center pawn." so I went on that setup. Now that you present the piece configuration for both sides, you are correct that insufficient losing chances does not apply. Details are important.
When I first "tuned in" to the broadcast, this was the position:
"Game position was Opposite-Colored Bishops with one rook each and Magnus was up a pawn with two connected passers on the queen side, and Naka with just a lone center pawn."
The last minute of the game or so, it was Magnus with K, R, B versus Naka's King and Rook.
P.S. King Magnus reasserted himself on the last day and easily won the Fischer Random Chess Match against Naka. Before I turned it off, it was 13.5 - 8.5. Magnus had already won since all he needed was 12.5.
Feb 13, 2018
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SeniorPatzer wrote:
P.S. King Magnus reasserted himself on the last day and easily won the Fischer Random Chess Match against Naka. Before I turned it off, it was 13.5 - 8.5. Magnus had already won since all he needed was 12.5.
Yes siree Bob ... I mean Daniel ... Magnus is a natural. It will take someone exceptionally well prepared to beat him in the upcoming World Championship.
Wow!!! Clicked on the ChessTV tab with the red Exclam! Immediately checked the match score and Magnus was winning the match score 9-5. Game position was Opposite-Colored Bishops with one rook each and Magnus was up a pawn with two connected passers on the queen side, and Naka with just a lone center pawn.
I thought it was going to be a draw and they'd go into the last day with a match score of 10-6. A commanding lead for King Magnus. Even though Naka had a 10 minute lead on the clock (NO Increment), I still thought it was going to be a draw.
Then the most unbelievable thing happened. Commenters were saying that Naka was going to flag Magnus. They were whipping out moves!! The board on the Chess.com/TV screen couldn't keep up with the moves! Yasser Seirawan and Anna Rudolf were simply transfixed and amazed! Both players heart rates went up during the time scramble. (For some reason both players are playing with a heart rate monitor and their heart rates are televised.)
Magnus totally forgetting to ask for a draw. Or to request the 50-move rule. Just furiously whipping out moves and pounding the clock. Naka moving fast too. THEN, Naka gestures towards the clock and Magnus is just totally disgusted. No handshake and both players immediately leave the board.
No interview by either player to Yasser and Anna. Don't know if there was an interview granted to NRK.
So now the players go into the last day of Chess960 or Fischer Random Chess needing to get to 12.5 points in a 10 minute blitz format with increment.
P.S. I heard that Magnus was crushing Naka earlier in the game from Yaz/Anna, and that it was incredible that Naka could even fight back to get a drawing position. And then to see Naka get a WIN when he should have lost was even more astounding. Everyone is saying that Magnus is mad or angry.