Time for Chess.com to sort out 960 Tournaments !

ColinFromDevon

Round One of a Chess 960 Tournament and everyone plays the same random board, as white and black against opponents..all good, but then ..when/if you progress to Round Two, what do you get ? the SAME BOARD AGAIN ! ?? this now actually makes it a Thematic Tournament rather than 960. If you've ever encountered this you'll know the dissapointment  at seeing the same board again that everyone's played to death in multiple games the 1st Round, it would be appropriate for 960 to have a fresh random board for each new round. So please I ask fellow 960 enthusiasts to contact Chess.com and send them a message asking them to put this right. Link below takes you there..

http://support.chess.com/Tickets/Submit

Either 'Site Feedback & Suggestions' or 'Tournament Help' -

If you don't want to have to explain it all, then just send them the link to this page. Thanks

The_Gavinator

Or you can just go on chesscube to play 960 tourneys...

benschae

I agree. Why does everybody have to play the same board anyway?

ironic_begar

I think they get it from OTB tournaments, where you only play one color each round. Then having the same position each round evens out the luck of having a good position. It makes sense for that reason to keep the same board for all games in a single round, but here you play both colors each round. You might as well change positions between rounds. I think it's more in the spirit of 960.

mathemaat

I agree it's not fun to have the same position in all rounds.

To keep it equal, you should play in the same position with black and white against the same opponent. You can have different positions against different opponents in the same round. That should work.

royalbishop

+1

Blitz Chess 960  2014

pbeckett

they implemented chess960 in a hurry,it took a weekend,they were so proud of themselves.

Colin is 100% right.

A game of 'Fischer Random chess' is a one-off independent event.Things don't have to be 'made equal' by a fix! Trust in the 'Law of Averages' !

By the way you never get the normal RNBQKBNR set-up in chess.com's version of 960---so it's really Chess959.

pbeckett

Keeping the same board for all rounds and all players allows 'cheating' in the form of copying the best players openings.I wonder if this happens,though.

But you can't learn from your mistakes,like in tic-tac-toe.

xntric30
ColinFromDevon wrote:

Round One of a Chess 960 Tournament and everyone plays the same random board, as white and black against opponents..all good, but then ..when/if you progress to Round Two, what do you get ? the SAME BOARD AGAIN ! ?? this now actually makes it a Thematic Tournament rather than 960. If you've ever encountered this you'll know the dissapointment  at seeing the same board again that everyone's played to death in multiple games the 1st Round, it would be appropriate for 960 to have a fresh random board for each new round. So please I ask fellow 960 enthusiasts to contact Chess.com and send them a message asking them to put this right. Link below takes you there..

http://support.chess.com/Tickets/Submit

Either 'Site Feedback & Suggestions' or 'Tournament Help' -

If you don't want to have to explain it all, then just send them the link to this page. Thanks

Have you heard anything yet?

pbeckett

People play moves without understanding the reasoning behind other players' moves.Then their opponent plays a 'wrong' move--how infuriating!how stupid!now I have to think for myself and I might make a mistake.(And thereby lose the game--to some idiot who played THE WRONG MOVE!)

 

I concede that I have broadened the definition of 'cheating' somewhat,owltuna.

Kadub

960 Madness!?!?!

http://www.chess.com/tournament/fischer-random-madness2

pbeckett

It's a valid analytical resource..and it makes you lazy as **** (fword)

pbeckett

we're roughly the same grade for 960 and for the trad game.Let's stop insulting each other.

I still believe that the more 'bookish' you are,the less you rely on your own creativity.Although you need to start the game well to have a chance to use those talents.

I've seen too many junior players rattle out 12 moves of a Ruy or Dragon Sicilian...perfect GM play!..then play like beginners for the rest of the game.

EvgeniyZh

New setup each round sound very logical

ColinFromDevon

Playing 960 regularly has shown me just how much 'proper' chess is missing from the opening in normal chess, I made the original post "but then ..when/if you progress to Round Two, what do you get ? the SAME BOARD AGAIN ! ?? this now actually makes it a Thematic Tournament rather than 960. If you've ever encountered this you'll know the dissapointment  at seeing the same board again that everyone's played to death in multiple games the 1st Round, it would be appropriate for 960 to have a fresh random board for each new round." and later Owltuna commented.. " The idea that any starting position can be "played out" after so few games is quite frankly ridiculous." ..which I agree with actually, I enjoy the 'going deeper' with an opening as well as having a fresh one, I still believe that 960 tournaments here should serve up a fresh board each new round, but in playing the same board maybe 25+ times in some tournaments over a few rounds, one can (and I do) look at others games , and enjoy the analizing and seeing what the 'best' players do, and occasionally you or someone discovers a 'good' move or a trick in an early position, and then you see others also use, copy or discover it and then you see someone else discovers a good reply to the situation and so on, this discovery and progression fwd finding the possibilities is so exciting ! It's the process that original chess went through of course, and in playing 960 you can see how the discovery has gone from normal chess. Playing 960 you discover a good opening line or ploy and opponents will have to grapple with the problem, in normal it has all been done, and everyone is copying the moves that the 'best' players do, with little fresh thinking, So yes, the openings in 960 are so rich,and replaying the same opening position is also interesting, just not forever like the one that has truly and literally been played to death.