Queen's gambit (tv series)

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JamieDelarosa wrote:

Everyone starts as a beginner, from the least-talented patzer to the world champion.

GM Yasser Seirawan started at the age of 12 and in one of his first tournaments accepted that he lost in a non-losing position! By the age of 19 he was a GM. This video is funny when he shows how poorly he started his career, but has some excellent points for beginners (and possibly low intermediate players?). Audio gets better a few minutes in, but the first part is hilarious as he explains how he "lost" a non-checkmated game/position.

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JamieDelarosa wrote:
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TestPatzer wrote:
JamieDelarosa wrote:

Back in the 50s and 60s, all FIDE titles were contested in best of 24 matches

Are you thinking of the World Championship, perhaps?

Because Beth Harmon didn't play in the World Championship. She played in open tournaments and invitationals.

Indeed, and at the end of the book, after beating Borgov she's looking ahead to the qualifying cycle to face Borgov in a World Championship match.

Many of the non-chessplayers who watched the series seem to be under the impression that she won the World Championship, but the series never said that, either.

The novel had a mix of fictional and real life characters.  But the FIDE competition cycle did not sync with reality.

It's been a while since I read the book and I don't have it to refer to -- could you explain what you mean here?  Based on the tournaments Beth played (if the dates in the show mirrored the book -- not sure about that either, or if years were given in the book), she wouldn't have entered the world championship cycle yet -- the 1966 US Championship would have been the zonal, but she didn't play in it, and the 1969 US Championship, the next zonal, hadn't happened yet.

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The "Moscow Invitational," in the film is held in the cold season of 1968.  The old men in the park are all bundled up in coats, scarves, and caps.  But there are leaves on the trees, so it is not the dead of winter.

In the book, the pensioners in the park were wearing warm weather clothing ... gray cotton shirts with sleeves rolled up.

In either case, warm season or cold season, Beth dreams about playing Borgov in a 24-game match in two years time (i.e. 1970).

No es posible.

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OK, yes, in that case the dates don't work.

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It is worth wondering that who was Borgov and Loshenko in reality ?

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I thought Borgov was a Spassky-like character, portrayed with a wife and young son.  But Spassky was name-checked in an earlier episode, so it can't be him.

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I guess some enthusiastic players here may not afford Netflix , So

https://katmoviehd.se/the-queens-gambit-s01/

It is in Hindi Language, BTW

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Loved the show!!So many layers, I was left thinking about Beth’s character development for the next week after I finished.
One question I still have about the final scene, tho... does anyone on here believe that Beth chose to stay in Russia permanently? I’ve spoken to a lot of people who DO think this, but I myself didn’t get that impression... am I the crazy one!? 😂🤷🏼‍♂️
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BlondeChessGirl15F wrote:

I have to say, I started playing because of the series, I have litterally only just learned (most) of the rules. I can't say I'll bring much to the game, but perhaps if it can inspire other young people? Someone who might actually be really good! That can only be a good thing right?

As long as you're enjoying your time playing, that's all that really matters.

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was not expecting this thread to get this big

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RJMan1991 wrote:
Loved the show!!So many layers, I was left thinking about Beth’s character development for the next week after I finished.
One question I still have about the final scene, tho... does anyone on here believe that Beth chose to stay in Russia permanently? I’ve spoken to a lot of people who DO think this, but I myself didn’t get that impression... am I the crazy one!? 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

No, I do not think she defects.  She is just enjoying the opportunity to play for the fun of it.  The last scenes in  the series depart from the novel.

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RJMan1991 wrote:
One question I still have about the final scene, tho... does anyone on here believe that Beth chose to stay in Russia permanently?

I think that was the implication. That she had never found a place for herself in the States. She certainly missed her flight.

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I don't think THAT was the implication at all.  Rather, I think she merely did NOT want to be a political pawn or a religious pawn...only desiring to find chess for its innate beauty, and that little Russian plaza of players was such a place.     

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After all, I was left thinking of Beth Harmon in terms of chess pieces.    She rose from a pawn to become a queen.  A very graceful queen, at that.

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Yes!

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rohan_asif wrote:

was not expecting this thread to get this big

You better get used to it. Chess is having a renaissance with Beth Harmon as the new Super-Hero.

There are some debatable scenes in that series, though. Some religious people have raised their voices in that matter.

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RJMan1991 wrote:
Loved the show!!So many layers, I was left thinking about Beth’s character development for the next week after I finished.
One question I still have about the final scene, tho... does anyone on here believe that Beth chose to stay in Russia permanently? I’ve spoken to a lot of people who DO think this, but I myself didn’t get that impression... am I the crazy one!? 😂🤷🏼‍♂️

No, that's a dumb idea.  What, do they think her US government handler just shrugged and let her walk off, never to come back?  If nothing else, how long would he have kept his job if he did that?  The least he'd have done is keep watching from a bit of a distance.

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i love the series it’s so good!
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SandroChess24 wrote:

I'm not saying it was bad, that show was one of the best ones I've ever watched. I'm just saying they made some mistakes, for instances in terms of woman world champion Nona Gaprindashvili that they said she's never played against men, when Georgian legend was beating men ever since she started playing chess and she is keep doing that now

That was a throwaway line that had no relation to anything else, too.  I thought maybe she only played against strong men starting in the 1970s, but no, in reality she was already doing that before 1968.  It would have been just as easy to say that Gaprindashvili "had never performed this well against top-class men" or something like that.  Considering the effort they put into making the chess accurate in most of the series, finding out they'd gotten this wrong was a bit disappointing.