2 rooks vs knight + rook?

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Avatar of Fourpointo

I can't seem to find the answer online anywhere, but is it possible to force a checkmate with 2 rooks vs a rook and knight? I found a bunch of other combinations but want to know if this is a win or draw.

Avatar of brandonQDSH

Well unless I was really sure of myself or wanted to maximize my chances of a win at all costs, I'd just trade Rook for Rook to ensure that I will 100% win or draw.

You can force checkmate with Queen vs. Rook so maybe you can force a win with Rook vs. Knight, but I'm not sure. In general, I think it'd be very rare to find a game with 2 Rooks vs. Rook and Knight with no pawns on the board.

Avatar of diemking

you can force a draw if you had a knight vs a rook tho there is a certain technique involved

it really depends on the location of the knight

Avatar of BlueKnightShade

Rook versus knight is, according to theory, a draw if the player with the knight keeps the knight near his king.

I don't remember if I have seen any theory regarding 2 rooks against a rook and a knight. It is very likely a draw, but it depends very much on the position as always. Try it out here:

Endgame Database
http://www.shredderchess.com/online-chess/online-databases/endgame-database.html

Avatar of diemking

a rook & knight vs two rooks is ultimately a knight vs rook endgame with the same level of play from both sides

Avatar of Fourpointo

I obviously already have the draw if I wanted it, I wanted to see if it is possible to win. So I have no need to trade off rooks for a draw. I know all the other similar positions, such as a rook vs knight and 2 rooks vs 2 knights, but I have found nothing on 2 rooks vs a rook and knight.

Avatar of Beelzebub666

I expect the reason there's nothing on it is that it will always either trade down to rook versus knight, or be the obvious two rook mate. 

You shouldn't be asking for help in an ongoing game, though it's a vague enough question that it probably doesn't matter.  You can win or draw depending on where his knight ends up after the trade.

Avatar of Fourpointo

Yeah you're right, I wasn't going to cheat, I just wanted to know if it was possible to win.

Avatar of brandonQDSH

If you want to go for the win at all costs, it means you have to battery up and get some forks going.

Still though, if your King has no pawns to hide behind, that enemy Rook can just perpetual check you like there's no tomorrow.

Avatar of brandonQDSH

You have a big advantage in that your pieces work very well together but there's not much harmony between a Rook and Knight. 

Avatar of Fourpointo

A rook by itself can not perpetually check a king, my king could just march towards it until it stops.

Avatar of kingandrew
Fourpointo wrote:

I can't seem to find the answer online anywhere, but is it possible to force a checkmate with 2 rooks vs a rook and knight? I found a bunch of other combinations but want to know if this is a win or draw.


You Can checkmate with 2 rooks!  I've done it like a zillion times!!!  =p  haha.  but you Can Not checkmate with just a knight and a rook.  =/  well at least I ain't never found out how to!  =)

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http://www.chess.com/news/ivanchuk-and-carlsen-in-thriller-3746

Check out 6th game

I thing it is a draw if there are no other tactical options.

Avatar of Kupov
kingandrew wrote:
Fourpointo wrote:

I can't seem to find the answer online anywhere, but is it possible to force a checkmate with 2 rooks vs a rook and knight? I found a bunch of other combinations but want to know if this is a win or draw.


You Can checkmate with 2 rooks!  I've done it like a zillion times!!!  =p  haha.  but you Can Not checkmate with just a knight and a rook.  =/  well at least I ain't never found out how to!  =)


Don't you usually have a king? :P

Avatar of gpz_kaskus

draw

Avatar of Sogood135367

As long as the defender's pieces form a compact group and are near his king, it is a draw. If the knight is far away from the king, you can usually win by trapping the knight with your rooks and king.

Avatar of Nedyarbgodmode

without the pawns it would be a tough game eventually cause there's not that much space for them to battle