Can U really Win a Chess Game ?

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It's been my experience that "wins" are the result of weak moves by your opponent. Sooo you don't win. Your opponent looses.

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They aren't mutually exclusive.

Avatar of finalunpurez

Hmm you are right!

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

By definition, a game with no mistakes by either player is a draw... So yes, you cannot "win" against perfect play.

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Not technically true you can win on time Tongue Out

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madhacker wrote:

Not technically true you can win on time

That's also a mistake by your opponent!

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Timothy_P wrote:
madhacker wrote:

Not technically true you can win on time

That's also a mistake by your opponent!

It's not a 'weak move' though. Unless your move strength factors in time too.

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

Absolutely. Using all your game timer for one move is a very weak move, isn't it?

How about half of the timer?

And so on.

Avatar of Scottrf

The notion of it not being a win just because your opponent didn't play perfectly is plainly nonsense anyway.

Avatar of John_Doe18

Almost all games ever played in chess history have been containing some or the other mistakes

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John_Doe18 wrote:

Almost all games ever played in chess history have been containing some or the other mistakes

Of course. Thankfully we aren't all computers, and no CS major (like I will be) has solved chess yet.

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Scottrf wrote:

The notion of it not being a win just because your opponent didn't play perfectly is plainly nonsense anyway.

Bingo.

Avatar of John_Doe18

Well, ches is not solved....so even computers make minor mistakes

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

Well... chess hasn't been solved, so define mistakes. If I play white and checkmate someone using the Fool's mate or the four-move checkmate, I did not make a mistake.

Avatar of John_Doe18

You make a mistake by moving pawns in the front of king in the fools mate

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

How is that a mistake if I play white and WON the fool's mate? There's nothing wrong with 1. e4!

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In fools mate, its white who looses, not black

 

Fools mate first move is either 1.g4 or 1.f3, not 1.e4

Avatar of Pre_VizsIa

It can be done by either side to either side, it just takes longer with white.

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Scottrf wrote:

It's not a 'weak move' though. Unless your move strength factors in time too.

Actually it's not a weak move, period. Because it's not a move. They didn't move, therefore they lost on time. It's not a move, therefore it's not a weak move Cool

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madhacker wrote:
Scottrf wrote:

It's not a 'weak move' though. Unless your move strength factors in time too.

Actually it's not a weak move, period. Because it's not a move. They didn't move, therefore they lost on time. It's not a move, therefore it's not a weak move

Oh yeah!