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I still care. And participate. But yeah, things have changed a lot. Chess has gotten a lot bigger. And different. I am less involved in the content side of things, and more focused on product. One challenge we have is trying to please everyone. It's tough. Chess means a lot of things to a lot of people. I do agree that the pogchamps puzzles should not have been there as articles. Sometimes I miss the days when Chess.com was only more serious chess fans. But I'm also now grateful that there are more players - even casual ones. Things change. Not always for the best, and certainly not always the best for everyone. I recognize that. Tradeoffs :/ Maybe we need to find a different venue for some of this different content. I do appreciate the feedback. I do care. I just also am managing a very different world now... 

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erik wrote:

I still care. And participate. But yeah, things have changed a lot. Chess has gotten a lot bigger. And different. I am less involved in the content side of things, and more focused on product. One challenge we have is trying to please everyone. It's tough. Chess means a lot of things to a lot of people. I do agree that the pogchamps puzzles should not have been there as articles. Sometimes I miss the days when Chess.com was only more serious chess fans. But I'm also now grateful that there are more players - even casual ones. Things change. Not always for the best, and certainly not always the best for everyone. I recognize that. Tradeoffs :/ Maybe we need to find a different venue for some of this different content. I do appreciate the feedback. I do care. I just also am managing a very different world now... 

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erik wrote:

I still care. And participate. But yeah, things have changed a lot. Chess has gotten a lot bigger. And different. I am less involved in the content side of things, and more focused on product. One challenge we have is trying to please everyone. It's tough. Chess means a lot of things to a lot of people. I do agree that the pogchamps puzzles should not have been there as articles. Sometimes I miss the days when Chess.com was only more serious chess fans. But I'm also now grateful that there are more players - even casual ones. Things change. Not always for the best, and certainly not always the best for everyone. I recognize that. Tradeoffs :/ Maybe we need to find a different venue for some of this different content. I do appreciate the feedback. I do care. I just also am managing a very different world now... 

Wow, @erik in the forums, that takes me back.

I appreciate the candid response.

More fans isn't bad. I'd never watch pogchamps for more than a few minutes, but I did follow the results, so it's a fun idea even among some of the "serious" people (I'd like to consider myself serious).

As for articles, I was never involved in that, so I can't really say.

Chess (and this site) have a flood of new players, so having something for them seems very sensible.

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It shouldn't have to be a question of chess.com being for only the serious players of only for the casual players of only for this or only for that or for someone to gain, someone else has to lose. 

Chess is, in fact, the proverbial sea.  However, Chess.com is demonstrably contradicting that idea. Words simply can't change what the eyes can see..  

 

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wow, @erik posted here, the topic is still in community, bunny & llama are still unmuted.

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Well, Erik is a businessman, he doesn't consider it from a philosophical perspective to begin with.

But at the same time, this site is the proverbial sea... they have a 6 figure prize fund for the best speed chess players simultaneously alongside the inane pogchamps. Criticizing chess.com for catering solely to beginners comes across as biased.

(They even have a tournament for IMs)

Although sure, if I were made king, the forums would be moderated quite a bit differently.

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autobunny wrote:

wow, @erik posted here, the topic is still in community, bunny & llama are still unmuted.

I've been less offensive lately, and you're always inoffensive as far as I can recall.

As for where a topic ends up, who can even predict. Some of the new mods aren't so smart... to by fair I mean that as, they don't behave as the old mods have.

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John-MacTavish wrote:

@erik wow silencing me by deleting my comment...chess.com is a totalitarian website...disappointed : (

No. You're just a troll.... unsurprised

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llama47 wrote:

But at the same time, this site is the proverbial sea... they have a 6 figure prize fund for the best speed chess players simultaneously alongside the inane pogchamps. Criticizing chess.com for catering solely to beginners comes across as biased.

(They even have a tournament for IMs)

I'd say pointing out that the site should provide something for everyone seems the inverse of biased.
Conversely, pointing out prize events for the elite and/or titled players really has no immediately evident relevance 

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John-MacTavish wrote:
batgirl wrote:
John-MacTavish wrote:

@erik wow silencing me by deleting my comment...chess.com is a totalitarian website...disappointed : (

No. You're just a troll.... unsurprised

why did you get your mod privileges removed again?

Probably because I didn't suffer fools gladly.

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I remember the old website, evolution of the site, the first time they integrated with Facebook, even when they used to give everyone an email address. Times have changed quite a bit. I've been trying to find old articles using the wayback Machine to find some old Silman ones as well. Either way, changes are inevitable but Batgirl if you continue to write your articles, I will continue to read them. I do miss the old Downloads pages, it was fun finding PGNs, which got me into coding and software development. 

Random Idea Time:


Maybe there can be another idea or business opportunity. Free articles written by amateurs and then the premium members on Chess.com get better and experienced writers? Helps the website sells membership and maybe the professional ones get paid? Not sure, just a random idea. Also it could be organized a bit better too. 
A +/- tool kinda like Reddit for making certain articles go up or down by popularity. Tags may be better depending on what you're reading, the key words and tags would also help search engines as well.  Also, is there a way to track the amount of shares on Facebook, Twitter, or Reddit to help with filtering things up, so only the cream of the crop remains popular maybe? Regarding events, activities, Pogchamps, it's great for branding and marketing, but I thought there was a way to filter or block things from appearing, unless that was the old website or I could be confusing it with another chess server. 
Again, these are random ideas. Feel free to critique or polish, I don't really have a stake in this. 


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batgirl wrote:
llama47 wrote:

But at the same time, this site is the proverbial sea... they have a 6 figure prize fund for the best speed chess players simultaneously alongside the inane pogchamps. Criticizing chess.com for catering solely to beginners comes across as biased.

(They even have a tournament for IMs)

I'd say pointing out that the site should provide something for everyone seems the inverse of biased.
Conversely, pointing out prize events for the elite and/or titled players really has no immediately evident relevance 

You said chess.com is demonstrably contradicting the idea that chess is for everyone. I think the relevance of my bringing up other tournaments is to point out that chess.com has put money into both amateur and top tournaments.

If you want to argue that chess.com's articles, hiring practices, forum rules, or something else like this goes to your point (or shows the people in charge... lack intellectual merit to put it nicely) then maybe I'd agree (depending on the specifics). But unless I'm missing something it seems the current argument goes like this:  pogchamps exists, articles on pogchamps are incorrectly categorized, therefore chess.com is not inclusive.

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llama47 wrote:

 

If you want to argue that chess.com's articles, hiring practices, forum rules, or something else like this goes to your point (or shows the people in charge... lack intellectual merit to put it nicely) then maybe I'd agree (depending on the specifics). But unless I'm missing something it seems the current argument goes like this:  pogchamps exists, articles on pogchamps are incorrectly categorized, therefore chess.com is not inclusive.

The current argument is that chess.com has made a purposeful growing effort to cater to the lowest common denominator with an also growing disregard for rest of the chess environment.  The articles and the forums are easy examples - one might even say demonstrative - of this.  I don't care one bit if they focus on twitch, pogchamps or any other trendy areas but to do that at the expense of other things is worthy of criticism, at least from my perspective.   Sponsoring events, hoping to generate an audience and whatever comes with that is also fine, but elitism is certainly not a convincing argument for inclusiveness.   

 

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batgirl wrote:
llama47 wrote:

 

If you want to argue that chess.com's articles, hiring practices, forum rules, or something else like this goes to your point (or shows the people in charge... lack intellectual merit to put it nicely) then maybe I'd agree (depending on the specifics). But unless I'm missing something it seems the current argument goes like this:  pogchamps exists, articles on pogchamps are incorrectly categorized, therefore chess.com is not inclusive.

The current argument is that chess.com has made a purposeful growing effort to cater to the lowest common denominator with an also growing disregard for rest of the chess environment.  The articles and the forums are easy examples - one might even say demonstrative - of this.  I don't care one bit if they focus on twitch, pogchamps or any other trendy areas but to do that at the expense of other things is worthy of criticism, at least from my perspective.   Sponsoring events, hoping to generate an audience and whatever comes with that is also fine, but elitism is certainly not a convincing argument for inclusiveness.   

 

Ok, now I understand your argument better. Pogchamps comes at the expense of serious players when serious articles are replaced by nonsense and/or amateurish offerings. That makes sense.