How about:
You give the disconnected 1/4th of the playtime to get back online.
If he doesn't come back, the other player has a choice, give it a draw or
the computer takes over with a difficulty level based on the disconnected player's points.
If he wins it counts only for half a game, if he looses it still counts for half a game.
Who will be win if not resume the game?
After resume the game the message shows now logging in Please wait, it continues, never ends, my connection is good this time, But if I refresh window, it work good, so what about the old game , I loose the game?
Way too much to read here (a poll or two might help), so apologies if this has already been discussed.
What about doing as in FICS: every game is stored and, when both players are online (not playing) they can resume. Failing that, one can ask for adjudication.
Only problem I see, I have no idea how time consuming that would be for the adjudication staff.
Alessandro
i think the player who loses connection should be placed in disadvantage. if he/she doesn't offer to resume the game within 3 days (while both players are online) the game should be a win for the other player. Ofcourse, if disconnection is due to a server error, i agree with the current rules. (only i'd like between 1 and 3 days instead of 7)
Such a system would be abused, fact! In my short time at chess.com I have played some very good sportsmenlike people and some very bad ones, the very bad ones would use it to their advantage or even just to irritate their opponents for beating them. I think the Yahoo option is best where the clock ticks on and people can rejoin.
Maybe the adjournment system proposed has a place for very long game, where it would be a shame for a genuine disconnection problem to ruin a game. A players agreement where they tick boxes prior to a game thereby signing up to some form of adjournment may be the way to go, but waiting days to finish say a 10/10 game or quicker would be a bit absurd imo.
i'm starting to re-read and synthesize all of this. i should have a draft decision in a few hours!
Whatever you do, I suggest to Keep It Simple.
Do not worry at all about rare cases.
I try to live by the K.I.S.S. rule
Why not allow for games to only be adjourned once?If this doesnt work then you should try buying new broadband, mine works fine for £5 a month.
ok! i just finished reading it all. i think i have a solution to propose :)
Before the adjournment feature was added I did get frustrated with my disconnections being automatic losses. However, the problem now is worse because letting the disconnecter "resume" at some unknown time in the future creates an incentive to disconnect your internet if you're losing. That's basically a reward for people who disconnect in bad faith. Sure turning disconnects into automatic losses is not desirable but at least there's no incentive to opt out of a losing match. Just my 2 cents.
It should say 'postponed' so people will (more likely) know what that means, with an in-game explantion so that everyone doesn't freak about 'losing' because someone leaves, or repeatly asks the mods what does 'adjournment' mean?
ok! i just finished reading it all. i think i have a solution to propose :)
Do tell!!
Sorry, I haven't read the posts before mine. This is in response only to the original post.
I am disconnected frequently, so I have a lot of thoughts about this. I will narrate the reaction from chess.com that seems ideal to me.
I disconnect. Once it is my turn, my opponent is presented with the option of stopping my clock (to wait for me) or letting it run. If he decides to wait, he may change his mind at any time before we start playing again. After he has decided to wait and stop my clock, he is free to start another game, but he may not join another game while my clock is running and he may not start my clock while he is in another game. If he disconnects then my clock is stopped and the game is put on pause.
When I reconnect, I am presented with the option of continuing the game or forfeiting. I may not play any other games until this game is resolved. If my opponent is playing another game, I may wait for it to finish, or forfeit, but I cannot start a new game (because if I could we might go back and forth starting games 5 minutes after each other). If my opponent has disconnected I may wait for him to come back online or forfeit.
We can continue in this state for up to 7 days, at which point chess.com decides (correctly) that it's never going to happen and gives my opponent a win and me a loss for the game. The game is somehow marked "lost by disconnection," not just "lost," but my rating is affected the same as if it were just a loss.
Once our game resumes, all power is lost to both sides and everything is as if we had never disconnected.
Note that this scheme gives my opponent the power to effect the old chess.com default behavior. He can use this power to prevent me from abusing the disconnection rule. If we were having a good game and he would like to finish it, we may. He can also use this power to force a loss on me even if I was winning, but I think I should be responsible for having a decent connection. It lowers the enjoyment for everyone when someone (usually me) disconnects and I don't expect to have all of you work around that. If my opponent is annoyed that I disconnected in the middle of an intense game, I think it is his right to let my clock run out (but not to just declare a loss for me instantly).
I'll be happy to clarify any of my points! I think it's a great way to go!
here are my thoughts (pardon the lack of diagramming - not as sophisticated as excelguru!):
if a player A disconnects then player B sees a popup window that says "Your opponent has disconnected and has [90] seconds to reconnect and resume this game."
after those 90 seconds, if the game is more than 4 ply (2 moves each) then the window gives you 3 options:
- claim win
- abort game (no result, nobody wins, no rating changes)
- adjourn game
you could also wait longer and your opponent can auto-resume as long as you keep that window open (until you close the session or window, in which case the game would adjourn).
if player A reconnects within 90 seconds (or beyond if you permit) then they can resume with no time penalty (time goes back to what it was before the disconnect). the game then continues as before.
if player B decides to adjourn the game, then it is held as an adjourned game for up to 7 days. if it is not finished by then, then the original disconnector (player A) loses. if both players are online then the adjourned game will show up in the SEEKS list at the top. then either player can click on RESUME. then the other player gets a popup and they have to decide - CONTINUE, or DECLINE and lose! if they disconnect before an answer, then they choose to lose (to prevent people from just disconnecting when proposed with the decision).
if BOTH players are disconnected (due to chess.com server issue, bad luck, or whatever), then the soonest player to reconnect starts the 90 second timer. then we start back over at the scenario above.
here are some additional points:
- you can only have 3 adjourned games at a time. if you get another one, you forfeit your oldest adjourned game.
- if you get more than 10% disconnects (with minimum of 5 games and defined as games where you disconnected and did not resume within 90 seconds) then you get the following penalties: you can no longer accept open seeks (except those from other "disconnectors"); when you post a seek your name is red and your seek is at the bottom of the list - everyone will know you are a "disconnector".
- adjourned games do NOT show up in the live chess game archive (to prevent cheating by studying the position).
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i like my proposal for a few reasons:
- pretty simple, yet fair
- no adjudication!
- allows for players to decide how to handle the disconnect
- punishes disconnectors
thoughts?? :)
90 secs to reconnect is not long enough. When I get disconnected from C.c, it's not the simple process of opening again (usually takes 20 or 30 mins this way), I have to reboot my machine to get back on. 5 mins minimum please, 10 mins comfortable.
very good i think erik. maybe a little more than 90 seconds but thats my opinion. as it is a free site for most to use your way of this seems fair even if the 90 seconds is imposed. as ive said my pc is terrible but i could shut down, reboot, connect to internet and get back on chess.com within 5 min so it all seems fair. i dont get many disconnects if any using firefox so losing a few points(if chosen by opponent) doesn't matter.
your idea gets the thumbs up from me.
Hey all. If you have visited Live Chess recently (since Nov 8th) you might have noticed a few new changes. One is private and group chat! The first step in making communication in Live Chess better. The second is game "adjournment".
This is how it currently works:
You are playing a game. If your opponent disconnects (could be intentional or because of their internet connection or Chess.com's server's fault), then that game is auto-adjourned. Then if your opponent comes back online you will both see a yellow highlighted game in the SEEKS window and either of you can click on RESUME. If you don't finish the game before 7 days, then the game is "Adjudicated", meaning that the winner is judged to be a WIN, LOSS, DRAW, or ABORT (if too short).
Question is, how SHOULD it work :)
How long should people have to resume? What about playing while you have a pending game and that person is online?
Please give us your thoughts! :)
Erik
I think they should have 10 or 15 minutes to come back after adjourning thats long enough to get reconnected. Anybody that needs longer is just trying to cheat. Also I feel that the person that gets adjourned on shouldn't lose the game ever, either they get a voided game or the win
I think some people have forgotten that Live Chess isn't a really serious place in which your official rating is going to be affected. Personally, I use it as a practice/experiment field to try new things and further my skill on certain plays and openings as well as handling pressure in time constraints.
A simple 5minute timer would be more than adequate to allow for a reconnect if a disconnect occurs. After 5mins if you don't reconnect you lose. Simple.
Others have stated this timer system in heavy detail trying to please everyone. You really can't for one sole reason, luck. Luck is a factor in disconnections on Live and cannot be justly handled for every player. You get booted from the server, that's unlucky. Your wireless internet router drops it's connection, that's unlucky. Even an outage of internet by your ISP for hours or days is extremely unlucky, but your ISP puts the outage in place for the benefit of everyone, they aren't going to take into consideration your loss of a chess game.
This is how adjournment should be approached, a simple system which is fair to everyone on a general basis. 5minutes to reconnect or you lose. Applies for everyone (maybe extra time for premium members for an added perk for becoming one) no matter their situation.
We have all been at both ends of disconnections and although we are frustrated we get over it quickly because there's nothing that can be done about it. Now we can have a 5minute buffer which is of great benefit to everyone, otherwise accept the disconnection as you would accept a disconnection that happened in the past.
Apply the KISS rule and everything will be sweet. The more we try to put in fail-safe's for every scenario we can think of, the more problems that will occur with it. The simplest answer is usually the best one.
Just my 2 cents.