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Snowchlobe

the UK itself doesn't even have a written constitution. i guess you're saying that the UK isn't a country then?

MD1806
Snowchlobe wrote:

it doesn't matter that england or wales aren't independent countries. the correct way to refer to them is country.

The UK is a dynastic monarchy that calls itself a democracy despite having no checks and balances and not having ever elected its head of government or head of state. It also calls a bunch of oral traditions a "constitution." It doesn't get to tell others what words mean.

Snowchlobe
MD1806 wrote:
Snowchlobe wrote:

it doesn't matter that england or wales aren't independent countries. the correct way to refer to them is country.

The UK is a dynastic monarchy that calls itself a democracy despite having no checks and balances and not having ever elected its head of government or head of state. It also calls a bunch of oral traditions a "constitution." It doesn't get to tell others what words mean.

your countries government and constitution is just copied from the UK.

MD1806
Snowchlobe wrote:
MD1806 wrote:
Snowchlobe wrote:

it doesn't matter that england or wales aren't independent countries. the correct way to refer to them is country.

The UK is a dynastic monarchy that calls itself a democracy despite having no checks and balances and not having ever elected its head of government or head of state. It also calls a bunch of oral traditions a "constitution." It doesn't get to tell others what words mean.

your countries government and constitution is just copied from the UK.

Oh really? Where is the dynastic, hereditary monarchy? Where is the unicameral absolute executive? Where is the parliament? Where is the unelected head of government? Where are the royal courts? Where are the personal unions? Where is the absolute central government? (The UK doesn't have a constitution; it has a series of traditions and common laws)

Snowchlobe

the UK made the magna carta and the bill of rights. that's what your constitution is made of :/

our government is elected and we have normal courts idk what you mean. we have parliament too.

MD1806
Snowchlobe wrote:

the UK made the magna carta and the bill of rights. that's what your constitution is made of :/

our government is elected and we have normal courts idk what you mean. we have parliament too.

They don't teach you much about your own government in the imperialist propaganda machines they call schools over there, do they? You only elect one Member of Parliament at the national level. Your head of state is a Greek-Danish hereditary dynast, and your head of government is the leader of whichever group can cobble together either an election win or a coalition. Neither has ever been elected by the people. Your court system exists because your hereditary dynast created it; it has no constitutional checks and balances over the rest of the government.

The US Constitution is based on the Roman Republic's, with a large dose of Montesquieu's proposed constitution and a strong influence from Rousseau, among others. It also borrows from the quasi-federalist systems of places like Switzerland (through Rousseau). Magna Carta has nothing to do with the US Constitution; it's a guarantee of the rights of the hereditary nobility in England, while the US Constitution explicitly bans hereditary nobility. The 1689 Bill of Rights does influence the US Bill of Rights, but that's only a small part of a very large and complex constitution.

Snowchlobe

I'm not reading all that. Americans would be on horseback shooting each other with bow and arrows rn if the UK didn't exist.

CoolDude_95
barvinoq wrote:

tell this nazi that english is not only spoken in United Kingdom

You sound like you don't have a sense of humor, I was literally mocking North Korea (which is communist, not fascist). Appreciate a joke, man.

bramjam55

Fascinating though the origins and peculiartities of various constitutions might be, we started off talking about flags, and lest the thread get locked for moving into more contentious contemporary geo-politics I would simply make the point that the Scottish flag, the Saltire of white on blue, is recognised as the oldest in Europe.

MD1806
bramjam55 wrote:

Fascinating though the origins and peculiartities of various constitutions might be, we started off talking about flags, and lest the thread get locked for moving into more contentious contemporary geo-politics I would simply make the point that the Scottish flag, the Saltire of white on blue, is recognised as the oldest in Europe.

Funny; the blue flag isn't even the oldest Scottish flag; the yellow with the red lion (the actual Scottish flag) predates it by at least 200 years. The Burgundian Cross also long predates the blue Scottish flag, and the Dutch tricolor is at least contemporaneous with it, if not predating it as well.

AutisticCath
MD1806 wrote:

The UK is a dynastic monarchy that calls itself a democracy despite having no checks and balances and not having ever elected its head of government or head of state. It also calls a bunch of oral traditions a "constitution." It doesn't get to tell others what words mean.

I forgot that the Magna Carta was a work of fiction made up by Monty Python.

bramjam55

True, MD, but the Lion Rampant isn't a national flag. The Saltire is the national flag, the Lion Rampant was the personal banner or coat of arms of the monarch.

The Burgundian Cross too is personal rather than national, and associated with the family of Dukes of Burgandy. Whether by conquest or marriage it was incorporated into armorials of the Habsburgs. Again , it's not a national flag.

I'm intrigued by your notion that the Dutch Tricolour predates the Scottish Saltire . The Saltire goes back to 832 and the battle of Atholstaneford. Even the Royal House of the Netherlands only claims their Tricolour goes back to 1572 (https://www.royal-house.nl/topics/flags/flag-of-the-netherlands)

magipi

Since when it it allowed to verbally abuse countries and people around here? Where are the moderators?

oliverz123

Guys it's not that serious. This is a chess website not a political one. Just do the official countries of the world.

oliverz123
MD1806 wrote:
Snowchlobe wrote:

the UK made the magna carta and the bill of rights. that's what your constitution is made of :/

our government is elected and we have normal courts idk what you mean. we have parliament too.

They don't teach you much about your own government in the imperialist propaganda machines they call schools over there, do they? You only elect one Member of Parliament at the national level. Your head of state is a Greek-Danish hereditary dynast, and your head of government is the leader of whichever group can cobble together either an election win or a coalition. Neither has ever been elected by the people. Your court system exists because your hereditary dynast created it; it has no constitutional checks and balances over the rest of the government.

The US Constitution is based on the Roman Republic's, with a large dose of Montesquieu's proposed constitution and a strong influence from Rousseau, among others. It also borrows from the quasi-federalist systems of places like Switzerland (through Rousseau). Magna Carta has nothing to do with the US Constitution; it's a guarantee of the rights of the hereditary nobility in England, while the US Constitution explicitly bans hereditary nobility. The 1689 Bill of Rights does influence the US Bill of Rights, but that's only a small part of a very large and complex constitution.

I thought the UK and the US were friends. When is Chess.com going to ban this forum?

oliverz123
MD1806 wrote:
Snowchlobe wrote:
MD1806 wrote:
Snowchlobe wrote:

it doesn't matter that england or wales aren't independent countries. the correct way to refer to them is country.

The UK is a dynastic monarchy that calls itself a democracy despite having no checks and balances and not having ever elected its head of government or head of state. It also calls a bunch of oral traditions a "constitution." It doesn't get to tell others what words mean.

your countries government and constitution is just copied from the UK.

Oh really? Where is the dynastic, hereditary monarchy? Where is the unicameral absolute executive? Where is the parliament? Where is the unelected head of government? Where are the royal courts? Where are the personal unions? Where is the absolute central government? (The UK doesn't have a constitution; it has a series of traditions and common laws)

Canadians be like: cry

CoolDude_95
barvinoq wrote:
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barvinoq wrote:

tell this nazi that english is not only spoken in United Kingdom

You sound like you don't have a sense of humor, I was literally mocking North Korea (which is communist, not fascist). Appreciate a joke, man.

these words were not meant for you. If I have no sense of humor, then you have no sense of logic ; )

😅 SORRY!

lmh50

I'd love to see the back of the silly flags. I pay to use this site, and I've had racist abuse because of the flag. I don't pay to get abuse, I pay to play chess. I don't play chess on behalf of the UK nation, or to boost national pride. I just play chess because chess is fun. Flags are one of the less helpful features.

The only real benefit is that it gives you a clue what language your opponent might speak, should you wish to communicate. There must be a better way to do that. Maybe we could list the languages in which we can communicate in our profiles, and have the language-list accessible during the game?

bramjam55

...may I, in a moment of vevity, and, without adding unnecessary strain to international relations simply make the observation that some national flags are quite iconic, while others ( tricolours in particular) are synthetic, unimaginative and dull to the point of tediousness. In contrast, there is the flag of Wales...IT HAS A DRAGON! How cool is that!! If you're gonna do flags, that's the way to do it...

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