Debate: What to call "Online Chess"...

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blake78613
You_haxored_me wrote:
 

 

For example in real correspondence chess, can you make a premove? it's not like this is the limit to how it will change forever. A new term for a new way is more appropriate. As time controls and not letters or distance still remain the true difference, I don't see why sticking with an outdated term should be used.

 I assume by "real" correspondence chess you mean postal chess (on line correspondence chess is real).  In postal correspondence chess you could make a premove, I used to do it all the time is called conditional moves and took the form of "if, then" on the post card.   The term correspondence chess is not outdated (although it does have a long tradition).  The reason you use it is because people instantly know what the rules are.   Yes,  you could cheat in live chess and no one might not now the difference, but it still would be cheating.  I believe that cheating is not an outdated term either.  While you are busy  making up new terms, why not be consistant and make up a new term for chess (the word chess is even older than the word correspondence) as for me I will stick to words that people know the meaning of.

You_haxored_me
Snar wrote:
You_haxored_me wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

The internet is not the Pony Express, but electronic communications are correspondence whether through direct person-to-person messages or via a website. Hence correspondence chess can be played online just as it has been played via telegraph, post card, and email.

Yeah, and that's why I said that all games on the internet could have correspondence thrown in front of them. Which is what makes it pointless.

why does that make it pointless?

???? What would be the point of throwing the same word before all turn based internet game types and using that as part of the name of the game. It's just redundant.

You play backgammon on the internet, you say you're playing backgammon. Why would you want it to be called correspondence backgammon?

Snar
You_haxored_me wrote:
Snar wrote:
You_haxored_me wrote:
Ziryab wrote:

The internet is not the Pony Express, but electronic communications are correspondence whether through direct person-to-person messages or via a website. Hence correspondence chess can be played online just as it has been played via telegraph, post card, and email.

Yeah, and that's why I said that all games on the internet could have correspondence thrown in front of them. Which is what makes it pointless.

why does that make it pointless?

???? What would be the point of throwing the same word before all turn based internet game types and using that as part of the name of the game. It's just redundant.

You play backgammon on the internet, you say you're playing backgammon. Why would you want it to be called correspondence backgammon?

because the correspondence signafies that the game is turn-based, and not live

why not call it correspondence backgammon?

richardep

Dawdle chess, leisure chess, phlegmatic chess, ponder chess, analysis chess, slow chess, long chess, procrastination chess, supine chess, torpid chess, return chess, idle chess, deep chess, expanded chess, prolonged chess, protracted chess, sustained chess........

richardep

my favourite, DEEP CHESS

You_haxored_me
Ziryab wrote:

I'm speaking on a technological level. The game play itself is the same.

The reason you are allowed to use those items in Online chess is mainly based on the fact that you have the time to.

Also if the time controls are long enough for live chess you could analyse on a separate board. Who would know.

You're right in that live chess tries to duplicate OTB, but online chess has difference feature than the traditional letters could ever have, and it appears they will continue to change and add features to online chess as the technology allows for it. (At least here, where the name is in dispute) Leaving only a remnant of what it once was.

 

For example in real correspondence chess, can you make a premove? it's not like this is the limit to how it will change forever. A new term for a new way is more appropriate. As time controls and not letters or distance still remain the true difference, I don't see why sticking with an outdated term should be used.

I made many conditional moves when I played via postcard. Premove in online blitz is equivalent to a conditional move that begins "if any," then ...

Really? Sending your opponents many multiple branches of conditional moves wouldn't be a bit of tipping of your hand since they would be able to analysis it for weaknesses?

Also isn't traditional postal chess still played? If so, shouldn't there be two seperate terms for each.

It's like the iPhone and iPod are essentially the same with one major difference, iPhones are not tied down to wifi hotspots, but they still have different names for each.

You_haxored_me
blake78613 wrote:

The term correspondence chess is not outdated (although it does have a long tradition).  The reason you use it is because people instantly know what the rules are.

How would anyone new to chess instantly know what the rules are. I mean in the entire world, how many people ever played correspondence chess compared to people playing now with the advent of the internet.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if on this site, which never used the term, more games of it have been played in the last few months than in all of history combined before the internet.

 

It's like the term "hacker." Very few people used it way back in the 60's, and many still are hopelessly trying to cling on to its original meaning, which has long since been lost. And mainly due from the onslaught of people that just aren't "hackers," and never knew what those few people defined it as. Pathetically a few of these old timers haven't accepted that times have changed and they aren't the gods of their own term they created anymore.

 

I think you all believe that the nature of this type of game will not change ever even though the internet and computers will certainly allow for that. I would think that people who have lived long enough should know that things change when new technology arrives.

 

Like why did we start calling the answering machine, voice mail? At a core level it's the same thing.

motherinlaw
richardep wrote:

Dawdle chess, leisure chess, phlegmatic chess, ponder chess, analysis chess, slow chess, long chess, procrastination chess, supine chess, torpid chess, return chess, idle chess, deep chess, expanded chess, prolonged chess, protracted chess, sustained chess........

I like "supine!"  Also "torpid."  I think "turgid" had already been proposed.

Actually the process matches most precisely with the psychological construct of the "Variable Interval Reinforcement Schedule" method of "Operant Conditioning."  But, heck, that's just me getting all technical and academic and stuff, like I like to do.

....also, maybe it's a little too  long to be really "catchy."  

(and "VIRSMOC" for an acronym?  I don't think so.)

You_haxored_me

Why would any one pick 'turgid'? It means swollen doesn't it?

And 'torpid' or 'torpor' is dull, sluggish, apathy. Supine's not much different.

I like torpedo or tornado chess. Unfortunately that doen't qualify at all.

Unfortunately there are not many synonyms with 'slow' that don't come out sounding negative.

 

Best I could find was "in-depth chess" and "Comprehensive Chess" neither of which I can say I love. Since there's as good as "well-thought-out".

 

Although "Endeavor chess" sounds somewhat more interesting. I'm not aiming for accuracy since that would require something like ECC and not catchy at all.

 

Also it would appear that the site owner doesn't want correspondence as he obviously made clear.

Plus an iPhone is a mobile device, but no one calls them that. They go with the brand name.

So something like Endeavor Chess would be a site brand name for whatever you happen to call it.

(Hell of a lot better that Slow Chess)

Snar

what is wrong with corespondence chess with cchess, or cc as a shorter way of saying it

motherinlaw
coneheadzombie wrote:

call online chess online chess!

Hey, man, what are you trying to Do?! ---  Surprised ---- Spoil all the Fun?!  Surprised?! 

whitebull

I repeat, I either play chess on the board or online.  Duh!

motherinlaw

That raises "interesting" questions:

When you're playing OTB, aren't you really putting more of your "ego" "on the line?"  Is it ever possible to go "over the line" in chess?  Are football referees on this site called "onlinesmen?" 

And I want to underline this question:  Can an OTB Witchita Lineman be still "on-line?"

guru200773

Better call it "Offline chess" because you dont need to be online while your opponent moves :)

VanillaKnightPOC

Call it chess 24/7 because it goes on 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

It never ever ever stops.

VanillaKnightPOC

Says the zombie with a cone on his head.

WalangAlam

Most users are among clubs playing in leagues so why not team chess or league chess? The winner of the match is determined by the aggregate score between teams. As for individuals playing correspondence 1 on 1, correspondence chess seems more appropriate.

learningthemoves

How about, "It's Your Move" Chess Cool

Think about it. Whenever you play correspondence chess, you see the little icon with the hand holding the pawn alerting you when it's your move.

Otherwise you don't see anything.

So for those already familiar with it, they'll know exactly what it means.

For those who don't, it is catchy enough to win some interest.

richardep

In the rational line,it goes

Bullet

Blitz

Standard

???

Should be a time related thing, like EXTENDED, or PROLONGED, or something simple and catchy implying much thought, like DEEP

stephen_33
winerkleiner wrote:

How about "Off-The-Hook Chess"

"At your leisure chess"

'Leisure Chess'  is the idea I had too - it conveys the unhurried, more thoughtful nature of correspondence chess & the word is shorter as well !

If there was a perfect word for this, we'd have found it by now.