Do you think Magnus is the Elon musk of chess

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
Mid-KnightRider wrote:
LJGoomba wrote:

I dont wanna get this thread locked, but I dont get al this Elon hate...

He did save three astronauts and the environment at the cost of...a hand gesture that was originally a Roman salute? I dont get it...

Me neither, his love life is questionable, but beside that, he's fine.

Nononono his love life is the least questionable thing about him

Well I guess I wouldn't mind asking him a question or 3 about how rocket science, autonomous driving, and AI work.

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Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

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elon pays people to be smart for him. magnus is good at what he does

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BrothersWinOrDie wrote:

elon pays people to be smart for him. magnus is good at what he does

Where did he get his money then? 🤔

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YoSoyLoco123 wrote:
BrothersWinOrDie wrote:

elon pays people to be smart for him. magnus is good at what he does

Where did he get his money then? 🤔

Obviously cause the smarter ,smartest make him more money then he payed them for

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

It's a board game ....

Just because he's rich doesn't make him better person or better at what he does your missing the point of the question anyway its not an argument of who contributed more it's different things

Besides maybe Magnus isn't perfect but he doesn't have any erm issues at needing to be the best at everything and the only thing ur good at is making some business decisions that make say too much money

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so money makes smart and smart means money so more money = big brain

Positive feedback loop

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

It's a board game ....

Just because he's rich doesn't make him better person or better at what he does your missing the point of the question anyway its not an argument of who contributed more it's different things

Besides maybe Magnus isn't perfect but he doesn't have any erm issues at needing to be the best at everything and the only thing ur good at is making some business decisions that make say too much money

EVERYBODY has issues. The question isn't is Magnus the BigChessPlayer665 of chess. The question has nothing do to with personal character. I'm assuming the question is has Magnus fundamentally changed the game of chess like Elon has fundamentally changed the way tecnholgy helps people.

As I said before it's not a very good comparison because their respective fields are so different. I think a better question would be is Magnus the Bobby Fischer of chess. Or, is Elon Musk the Howard Hughes of the modern era. Both Magnus and Elon are incredible talents, at what they do, it's just that what they do don't really compare.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

It's a board game ....

Just because he's rich doesn't make him better person or better at what he does your missing the point of the question anyway its not an argument of who contributed more it's different things

Besides maybe Magnus isn't perfect but he doesn't have any erm issues at needing to be the best at everything and the only thing ur good at is making some business decisions that make say too much money

EVERYBODY has issues. The question isn't is Magnus the BigChessPlayer665 of chess. The question has nothing do to with personal character. I'm assuming the question is has Magnus fundamentally changed the game of chess like Elon has fundamentally changed the way tecnholgy helps people.

As I said before it's not a very good comparison because their respective fields are so different. I think a better question would be is Magnus the Bobby Fischer of chess. Or, is Elon Musk the Howard Hughes of the modern era. Both Magnus and Elon are incredible talents, at what they do, it's just that what they do don't really compare.

Its like saying is magnus the Albert Einstein of chess ? I disagree with the comparison because of what they do when they reach the top is so different one tries to manipulate others one doesn't (ex faking being good at a video game ) it's more how they are good rather than what they are good at

I don't see what's so different when comparing it it's just aaying"genius " it's not about their different fields or how many people they have effective

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BigChessplayer665 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
BigChessplayer665 wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

It's a board game ....

Just because he's rich doesn't make him better person or better at what he does your missing the point of the question anyway its not an argument of who contributed more it's different things

Besides maybe Magnus isn't perfect but he doesn't have any erm issues at needing to be the best at everything and the only thing ur good at is making some business decisions that make say too much money

EVERYBODY has issues. The question isn't is Magnus the BigChessPlayer665 of chess. The question has nothing do to with personal character. I'm assuming the question is has Magnus fundamentally changed the game of chess like Elon has fundamentally changed the way tecnholgy helps people.

As I said before it's not a very good comparison because their respective fields are so different. I think a better question would be is Magnus the Bobby Fischer of chess. Or, is Elon Musk the Howard Hughes of the modern era. Both Magnus and Elon are incredible talents, at what they do, it's just that what they do don't really compare.

Its like saying is magnus the Albert Einstein of chess ? I disagree with the comparison because of what they do when they reach the top is so different one tries to manipulate others one doesn't (ex faking being good at a video game ) it's more how they are good rather than what they are good at

I don't see what's so different when comparing it it's just aaying"genius " it's not about their different fields or how many people they have effective

Again you are going back to something irrelevant. Video games? Really?

Is Magnus the Elon Musk of chess means has Magnus done something revolutionary. Has he transformed everyday life for most of humanity? Has he created or enhanced several innovative industries? Instead of trying to focus on minutia, look at the big picture. SpaceX, PayPal, Neuralink, Tesla, Open AI, Twitter, plus a few more. Has Magnus done anything even remotely as significant as Musk?

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Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.

I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.

The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.

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Filigranova wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

What an insult to Magnus!

Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?

Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?

Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?

Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄

Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!

Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.

Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.

So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?

Oh, I understood the question all too well.

Elon is good at NOTHING. He has bought every idea he’s marketed to the government for billions of dollars in contracts. 

Treating the designers who made you your current fortune badly isn’t genius. It isn’t admirable. 

Magnus plays chess extraordinarily well.

Elon buys other people’s ideas to capitalize. He buys other people’s abilities. 

It sounds like you are saying Magnus has a long way to go to reach that level of business acumen. Afterall, Elon IS the wealthiest human on planet earth, is he not?

When you say "Elon is good at nothing" you might as well say Magnus is good at nothing. It's such a blatantly subjective opinion it really doesn't hold any weight at all. It's fair to say Elon Musk revolutionized the electric car business. He revolutionized the space industry. It's also quite fair to say that Magnus, being the chess genius he is, has NOT done anything comparable.

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chesswhizz9 wrote:

Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.

I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.

The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.

What you said cannot be said enough. We ALL are flawed. It's very easy to point out others flaws while overlooking our own.

I am in no position to judge. But if I were, I would do it in a way that I think is fair. Literally saving human lives is a big deal. Magnus is a great chess player. Maybe the best ever. He's clever, smart, brilliant, witty, and creative. But does he rise to the level of what Elon Musk has accomplished? I would say most certainly not. They are just the best at what they do in a very different way. Not really a legitimate comparison.

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Filigranova wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:

Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.

I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.

The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.

********* what makes you think I’m the stupid one? What do you know about my knowledge and experience?

What makes you think I believe everything I hear on some news program you don’t like?

Consider the possibility that I haven’t come to the conclusions I did through ignorance or vibes.

I never said you were stupid — but reacting this defensively says a lot. If your conclusions are really based on knowledge and experience, they should be able to stand up to questions without you needing to lash out. Disagreement doesn’t mean disrespect, but dodging accountability behind vague appeals to 'experience' doesn’t strengthen your case either.

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lfPatriotGames wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:

Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.

I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.

The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.

What you said cannot be said enough. We ALL are flawed. It's very easy to point out others flaws while overlooking our own.

I am in no position to judge. But if I were, I would do it in a way that I think is fair. Literally saving human lives is a big deal. Magnus is a great chess player. Maybe the best ever. He's clever, smart, brilliant, witty, and creative. But does he rise to the level of what Elon Musk has accomplished? I would say most certainly not. They are just the best at what they do in a very different way. Not really a legitimate comparison.

No we can 100% judge anyone who decides to mess with politics has the right to be judged by everyone who he is as a person it's how you hold these types of people accountable you don't do that and don't stop them or kick them out they get too power hungry just because he's saved a few people doesn't mean he hasn't hurt just se many people

It depends how many people you effect or hurt elon can effect millions do to horrible policies can Magnus no ? Is Magnus better at what he does then ,elon ? Technicaly yes he doesn't have to fake being good at anything to be #1

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yeah he is one of the most succesful and rich chess player and becoming world champion gives a lot of money and he has been wt five times! 5 x 1300000 million usd and other turnoments too.he has 50000000 usd

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Filigranova wrote:

So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.

Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.

I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.

Is he wrong?

Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people

We live in a fallen world, and creating a meaningless argument solely for the purpose of defaming someone is worthless. I'm not "worshiping" anyone, as Christ always comes first. focusing only on the wrong in people will just create a endless loop, again back to my main point we are all flawed.

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chesswhizz9 wrote:
Filigranova wrote:

So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.

Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.

I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.

Is he wrong?

Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people

We live in a fallen world, and creating a meaningless argument solely for the purpose of defaming someone is worthless. I'm not "worshiping" anyone, as Christ always comes first. focusing only on the wrong in people will just create a endless loop, again back to my main point we are all flawed.

though the difference is he helped more then he hurt cheating on college paper doesn't mean everything almost everyone has cheated at some point :/ but the argument " we are all flawed " isn't a good way to defend musk it workes for the majority of people just that politicians or people who try to influence it shoupd be held accountable (not just normal mistakes ) its just that his decisions can effect way to many people so defending that just cause "he's not perfect " neglectes what he's done if he does something

Difference between bad personal life choices and bad political choices