Do you think Magnus is the Elon musk of chess
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9 days ago
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#83
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.
Chrissakes what makes you think I’m the stupid one? What do you know about my knowledge and experience?
What makes you think I believe everything I hear on some news program you don’t like?
Consider the possibility that I haven’t come to the conclusions I did through ignorance or vibes.
Filigranova wrote:
lfPatriotGames wrote:
Filigranova wrote:
What an insult to Magnus!
Does Magnus have innumerable complaints against him by the NLRB and EPA? Does he abuse workers and act the ingrate when he was saved by billions of dollars in government contracts when he was near bankruptcy?
Does he repeatedly use a slur against disabled people?
Does he use other players to reach high levels in gaming but fail miserably when live?
Elon is all of the above, just a terrible person overall. He buys other ideas and presents them as his own but is really rather mediocre in skills. He thinks chess is easy and boring 🙄
Magnus has proven time and again he’s the real thing. I can’t believe I’m even reading this!
Maybe you didn't understand the question. The question was do you think magnus is the elon musk of chess.
Both are considered the very best at what they do. Magnus is not famous for his personal life, neither is Elon. Personal attacks are pointless because EVERYONE has character flaws. No human is exempt. Elon Musk is famous for his innovation, his business success, and to a lesser degree what he has done to help humanity through his pusuits. He isn't famous for having human flaws, which we all do. Afterall, nobody is asking is Magnus the Robert Smith of chess.
So has Magnus taken chess to a new level, has he made hundreds of billions of dollars off of it, has Magnus's superior chess ability helped humanity? In other words, has Magnus changed the world?
Oh, I understood the question all too well.
Elon is good at NOTHING. He has bought every idea he’s marketed to the government for billions of dollars in contracts.
Treating the designers who made you your current fortune badly isn’t genius. It isn’t admirable.
Magnus plays chess extraordinarily well.
Elon buys other people’s ideas to capitalize. He buys other people’s abilities.
It sounds like you are saying Magnus has a long way to go to reach that level of business acumen. Afterall, Elon IS the wealthiest human on planet earth, is he not?
When you say "Elon is good at nothing" you might as well say Magnus is good at nothing. It's such a blatantly subjective opinion it really doesn't hold any weight at all. It's fair to say Elon Musk revolutionized the electric car business. He revolutionized the space industry. It's also quite fair to say that Magnus, being the chess genius he is, has NOT done anything comparable.
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.
What you said cannot be said enough. We ALL are flawed. It's very easy to point out others flaws while overlooking our own.
I am in no position to judge. But if I were, I would do it in a way that I think is fair. Literally saving human lives is a big deal. Magnus is a great chess player. Maybe the best ever. He's clever, smart, brilliant, witty, and creative. But does he rise to the level of what Elon Musk has accomplished? I would say most certainly not. They are just the best at what they do in a very different way. Not really a legitimate comparison.
9 days ago
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#86
Filigranova wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.
********* what makes you think I’m the stupid one? What do you know about my knowledge and experience?
What makes you think I believe everything I hear on some news program you don’t like?
Consider the possibility that I haven’t come to the conclusions I did through ignorance or vibes.
I never said you were stupid — but reacting this defensively says a lot. If your conclusions are really based on knowledge and experience, they should be able to stand up to questions without you needing to lash out. Disagreement doesn’t mean disrespect, but dodging accountability behind vague appeals to 'experience' doesn’t strengthen your case either.
8 days ago
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#87
So did my reply get auto-rejected because I used the word “Chrissakes”?
8 days ago
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#88
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Filigranova wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.
********* what makes you think I’m the stupid one? What do you know about my knowledge and experience?
What makes you think I believe everything I hear on some news program you don’t like?
Consider the possibility that I haven’t come to the conclusions I did through ignorance or vibes.
I never said you were stupid — but reacting this defensively says a lot. If your conclusions are really based on knowledge and experience, they should be able to stand up to questions without you needing to lash out. Disagreement doesn’t mean disrespect, but dodging accountability behind vague appeals to 'experience' doesn’t strengthen your case either.
Reacting in disgust to the worship of a person who is truly awful is something I’m very comfortable doing. Since this forum didn’t like a word I used, my reply is gone forever, but it wouldn’t have budged your adoration one bit no matter how many valid premises.
8 days ago
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#89
So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.
Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.
I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.
8 days ago
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#90
If Elon is such a good businessman, why did he have to crawl with hat in hand to the Saudis when he lacked the cash to buy Twitter for the price he offered?
Why did Twitter lose 75% of its value after he bought it?
lfPatriotGames wrote:
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.
What you said cannot be said enough. We ALL are flawed. It's very easy to point out others flaws while overlooking our own.
I am in no position to judge. But if I were, I would do it in a way that I think is fair. Literally saving human lives is a big deal. Magnus is a great chess player. Maybe the best ever. He's clever, smart, brilliant, witty, and creative. But does he rise to the level of what Elon Musk has accomplished? I would say most certainly not. They are just the best at what they do in a very different way. Not really a legitimate comparison.
No we can 100% judge anyone who decides to mess with politics has the right to be judged by everyone who he is as a person it's how you hold these types of people accountable you don't do that and don't stop them or kick them out they get too power hungry just because he's saved a few people doesn't mean he hasn't hurt just se many people
It depends how many people you effect or hurt elon can effect millions do to horrible policies can Magnus no ? Is Magnus better at what he does then ,elon ? Technicaly yes he doesn't have to fake being good at anything to be #1
8 days ago
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#92
yeah he is one of the most succesful and rich chess player and becoming world champion gives a lot of money and he has been wt five times! 5 x 1300000 million usd and other turnoments too.he has 50000000 usd
8 days ago
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#93
Filigranova wrote:
So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.
Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.
I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.
Is he wrong?
Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people
We live in a fallen world, and creating a meaningless argument solely for the purpose of defaming someone is worthless. I'm not "worshiping" anyone, as Christ always comes first. focusing only on the wrong in people will just create a endless loop, again back to my main point we are all flawed.
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Filigranova wrote:
So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.
Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.
I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.
Is he wrong?
Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people
We live in a fallen world, and creating a meaningless argument solely for the purpose of defaming someone is worthless. I'm not "worshiping" anyone, as Christ always comes first. focusing only on the wrong in people will just create a endless loop, again back to my main point we are all flawed.
though the difference is he helped more then he hurt cheating on college paper doesn't mean everything almost everyone has cheated at some point :/ but the argument " we are all flawed " isn't a good way to defend musk it workes for the majority of people just that politicians or people who try to influence it shoupd be held accountable (not just normal mistakes ) its just that his decisions can effect way to many people so defending that just cause "he's not perfect " neglectes what he's done if he does something
Difference between bad personal life choices and bad political choices
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people
To be fair to MLK though, he did plenty of good things too.
8 days ago
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#97
chesswhizz9 wrote:
Filigranova wrote:
So Elon “saved” three people who would have been eventually anyway.
Explain why he called a diver who personally rescued a group of kids from being trapped in a cave a “p e d o p h i l e.” He did something more heroic than own a business, and Elon attacked him for doing it.
I feel as though I’m in upside-down world.
Is he wrong?
Did you know that Martin Luther King Jr. Of of the champions of social justice cheated on his most important college paper, broke his wedding promises to his wife, and Oh yeah... Brought equality to millions of people
We live in a fallen world, and creating a meaningless argument solely for the purpose of defaming someone is worthless. I'm not "worshiping" anyone, as Christ always comes first. focusing only on the wrong in people will just create a endless loop, again back to my main point we are all flawed.
Of course I know about MLK’s attribution controversy, though I also know about his overall (quite noteworthy) history and the fact that he didn’t destroy anyone over it. J. Edgar Hoover otoh was a cancer on the face of the nation.
So you’re also accusing the diver of being a p e d o p h i l e ?? What is your evidence? Musk had his goons look through the man’s entire history out of sheer pettiness. He found NOTHING. I wholly disagree with the jury who acquitted Musk for defamation. The diver who organized the rescue was a genuine hero, while Musk is still guilty.
8 days ago
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#98
Not really, because chess and business are such different fields. It gets much easier to make money, if you already have money, but it gets much more difficult to gain elo, if you already have lots of it.
If chess worked like business, Magnus would have 10 000 elo and the next best 2000, 3rd maybe 1500, and the average player would have 3-5 points of elo.
8 days ago
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#99
Rivan0G wrote:
yeah he is one of the most succesful and rich chess player and becoming world champion gives a lot of money and he has been wt five times! 5 x 1300000 million usd and other turnoments too.he has 50000000 usd
Though I’m glad he can be recognized with prize money, Magnus’ talent and hard work are more important than his financial situation.
8 days ago
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#100
So @chesswhizz9 are you admitting Musk was defaming the diver? Or did you believe your “flawed” (that word gets a lot of mileage in Musk’s case) idol that you devote so much time to defending should have gotten off without consequences for hurting someone in front of the world?
You seem to be making two conflicting arguments. You decry negativity despite it being well-founded, then attack another person who was never part of the conversation. Then you drag MLK into it. How far will you go for your precious Elon?
”Is he wrong?” Yes, Musk was wrong. He repeatedly called the diver a “pedo” despite total lack of evidence, and he did it out of sheer spite (and as I said before, pettiness).
He eventually apologized, but not before the trial was set to happen.
Ideas that applaud can come from people who are flawed.
I wouldn't want to be judged and hated for the worst thing I've done, neither would you, don't believe everything you hear on your favorite news station.
The mans good far outweighs the bad. He literally saved 3 souls from death.