Draw by timeout vs insufficient material?

I really dislike FIDE and everything to do with FIDE. I would very much like to see a rival body once more. They haven't a clue regarding making rules and they cost a lot of money which should be going to support grass roots chess. They're greedy and worse.

Hi

i had a situation where i have 4 minutes on the clock and opponent had 25 seconds... and i have a quuen + rook and he had nothing... it was not stalemate, but still drawn by this???????

Two possibilities come to mind.

1) the opponent offered a draw and you accidentally accepted it (unlikely but seems slightly more likely using the phone app)

2) you disconnected and the opponent did not get a win because Black had a lone king (seeing as the last move made was yours it would have to be a disconnection)

my opponent was having queen with pawn and king i was having only king his time runs out but it ended in a draw and he as having sufficient material to mate me but it was draw.

Your opponent has no time, so can't win. You have only a king so never can checkmate your opponent, so you can't win. If you only have a king, the best you'll ever get is a draw.

To win on time the player with time has to have enough material to mate on the board. https://support.chess.com/article/268-my-opponent-ran-out-of-time-why-was-it-a-draw

The site should use FIDE rules. It's absurd that with this site's rules, black can turn a loss into a draw by deliberately letting his time run out in the top position , but loses in the bottom position if his time runs out:

There are three rule sets to consider: FIDE, USCF, chess.com

In the first position, if it is Black to move and Black flags then only FIDE gives the win to White

In the first position, if it is White to move and White plays Bc3+ then White has a forced mate and both FIDE and USCF will give a win to White if Black opts to flag while chess.com would ignore the Black pieces other than the king and rule it a draw (K+B vs K).

In the second position White is in check and the only legal move is Kh1. If Black flags than FIDE and USCF would rule it a loss (because Qfc2 allows the White pawn to be advanced and eventually queen, or a draw if the d5 king and c6 queen were swapped since there would then be no legal moves that neither capture the pawn nor stalemate/checkmate the White King) while chess.com would simply ignore the black queens regardless of their position and rule that K+P can win against a lone king.

chess.com turns some FIDE draws into decisive results and some FIDE decisive results into draws.

I wonder how easy it would be to write a program to recognize that White Pa2, Pa5, Pc2, Pc5, Pe2, Pe5, Pg2, Pg5, Bc1, Kh1 vs Black Pa6, Pc6, Pe6, Pg6, Ke8 is an unchangeable draw even though White is a Bishop and four Pawns ahead.

If checkmate is possible in any way whatsoever, flagging should = loss, no exceptions. The fact that all systems don't use that common sense rule is astonishing.

Black should lose here if he runs out of time.

okay but i had a rook and king vs just a king. thats winnable, its not insufficient material. but it still ended in a draw with this rule.

If that's the case, you ran out of time and your opponent had insufficient material, so instead of losing, you got a draw

https://www.chess.com/game/live/88527058715 
Is this a "Timeout vs. Insufficient Material"?

Yes. Black ran out of time (or got disconnected) and white doesn't have sufficient material to mate.

FIDE rules create more problems than they solve.

In the old days before FIDE rules came to the UK, an arbiter would award that game to white. The procedure would probably be for white to stop the clocks before black's time ran out and call the arbiter, who would enforce the law that can require the game to be played out.

I had and I was super mad that it happend beause I was wining.

As it should. White has a pawn so black could theoretically lose that game. In any position with a king and pawn vs king and knight, if either side flags they should lose, as both sides can checkmate each other.

This is a stupid rule

@119

There is no series of legal moves where you checkmate your opponent with your lone king. So draw and no win for you.