Draw to insufficient losing chances

Since becoming a member I have been incapable of participating in any of the tournaments due to time-out rates.  I've timed out 6 of my 25 games and have suffered greatly from it in my rating and my freedoms.  However, in these games I had a clear path to victory and was greatly ahead in material and time.  In order to make the site more authentic, shouldn't games be able to be submitted to the staff to be analyzed for a draw due to insufficient losing chances.  Also, isn't the 10% rate pretty harsh, as a game on this site may take to a month to complete.  Thanks for your time.

I'll take a stab; jab.  Thanks for the floor, tunatin.

 

In short: no! 

Lol... here goes:

 

I don't want to play in an important tournament against someone who is going to time out.  Period.

 

The problem with the "insufficient losing chances" rule is that it isn't always clear that a position is won/lost/drawn unless you've memorized a bunch of obscure lines.  For this reason, many TDs for OTB tournaments now will make you use a time-delay or increment clock.  That way, as long as you know the theory for the position well enough to be able to make good moves within 5 seconds or so, you won't run out of time.  Now consider turn-based chess here.  You've got at least a day at the fastest time-control (up to 2 weeks at the slowest), plus vacation time.  There's even the option to turn off the automatic win on time (which only helps you if your opponents have turned it off).  Given all this, I doubt that the creators of this site would want spend their time online in analyzing games for insufficient losing chances.  I think they'll typically want to spend their time adding new features and getting rid of bugs in the system (and playing their own ocassional game of chess).  If you find yourself losing on time so much, perhaps you should restrict yourself to slower time controls, instead.

in chess even if your about to mate on the next move and your flag goes down before placing the pice its concidered as a lose.

This isn't a good idea for correspondence, but they could use it in live chess if they haven't already.  You have a lot of time to make moves.  But it is a decent idea.

Someone please help me to understand here, Pickle1000 states that he has suffered from timing out in 6 games and he was well ahead on time and material but i checked a couple of his games in which he lost on time and they were timed at 3 days per move.Did you just not have time to get back to the game in those 3 days.I'm not trying to pick on you  i just don't understand why in a game where you state you are way ahead you can't make a move every 3 days.

I think 10% is too soft myself, besides your time out rate is over 20% ! When I challenge people or am considering accepting a challenge if they have 5% or more time out rate I dont play them. In rated chess time is a BIG part of the game and you have to learn to deal with it just as the other aspects of the game.

'Hogwash' isn't really my style.

 

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Hey Hey Hey. Don't flame him so bad..... Go easy retguvvie98 this is just a chess community site....

He's asking a question, and sure it may be a little silly.....

 But a question is a question. 

And everyone should be allowed to ask their questions WITHOUT BEING CASTRATED FOR IT. Jeez, if you have nothing positive to say, don't post it if it's completely unoriginal i.e. reiterating the same belief over and over again that it was a stupid question.

And now to be completely hypocritical:

Sorry Pickle1000, love you buddy, but it's a terrible question....  

 

Hey Hey Hey. Don't flame him so bad..... Go easy retguvvie98 this is just a chess community site....

He's asking a question, and sure it may be a little silly.....

But a question is a question. 

And everyone should be allowed to ask their questions WITHOUT BEING CASTRATED FOR IT. Jeez, if you have nothing positive to say, don't post it. Reiterating the same belief that it was a stupid question isn't going to get anybody anywhere.

And now to be completely hypocritical:

Sorry Pickle1000, love you buddy, but it's a terrible question....  

 

way too hard on him people :)

10/5 is high in my opinion. if you cant get to your game, use vacation time. and as for adjuticating games, that only makes sense when there is no clear timeout.

thanks for asking! 

I agree with Reb and RetGuvvie98, well said.

In that more than 5% timeouts is high and In rated chess time is a BIG part of the game, and in that 3 days per move should be sufficient (with the addition of vacation time to allow for unexpected and planned interruptions) to avoid a timeout especially considering this is the time control that was agreed.

 

 

Everyone in this thread so far has completely misunderstood the idea of "Insufficient Losing Chances," even Pickle1000. The rule was created for Sudden Death games so that a player should never have to lose a game on time that he or she would never lose on the board. The USCF rules state, "If a player has under 2 minutes remaining, he may call a TD and request a draw based on the rule of Insufficient Losing Chances. The draw is granted if it is clear that in the position in question, a Class C player (1400-1599) would have no trouble drawing against a Master Class player (2200+)." Of course ideally, there should be a Master Class player present to judge the position, but if not, then a simply time delay of roughly 5 seconds/move can be added to the clock so that either player should not lose on time, provided that he or she can move quickly enough.

However, these rules don't really seem to apply to Online Chess at this site. There really is no clock for Online Chess for crying out loud Pickle1000. Shall we award you a time delay feature of 3 days/move + 2 hours for every move you make?! For one, an average of 3 days/move is a LOT of time to make a move. Even 1 day/move is a LOT if you only have a few games in your queue. If you both agree to time controls, then you should abide by them. Like Erik said, the vacation time is there if you need it. But if you're grossly winning on the board, I'm sure your opponent will be more than happy to accept a draw, especially if you explain your situation.

Of course, "Insufficient Losing Chances" is a USCF rule. I'm not sure if there is a similar type of ruling in the FIDE handbook. So it may not be a universal policy.

Who wouldn't be thrilled to accept a draw as Black in the following position, or something similar to it? Seriously, I would jump at the chance to claim half a point in this position if I was Black!

my advice would be to have a root around in your pockets, find $29 and join the premium members! that way you get auto time outs and you dont lose on time ever again! i think you get more than enough for nothing on this site as it is without expecting everything......:-)

I think that there is no such a matter in chess as unssuficient losing chances,mostly in a game which is played for a couple of days.Even at the worst variation almost always can be provided a stalamate from the losing side.And 6 games lost is not much to "cry" out for.If your daily activities and job plans are so unpredictable to know when you can join the game again,so,try to play more on your vacations as recommended above from another player.