How you deal with trash player?

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Daily dose of forum drama.

I don’t know if he was cheating, but yeah the time used in that game was pretty strange. Almost 30 seconds for the second move, almost as if he took a break to turn on an engine or something. Then the time used was about 3-6 seconds per move. Oh well.
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Jalex13 wrote:
Daily dose of forum drama.

I don’t know if he was cheating, but yeah the time used in that game was pretty strange. Almost 30 seconds for the second move, almost as if he took a break to turn on an engine or something. Then the time used was about 3-6 seconds per move. Oh well.

or just had to do something irl, and then played the game. I didn't look at the game you guys are talking about, but based off of that information, there is nothing wrong.

#inb4thelock

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Jalex13 wrote:
I don’t know if he was cheating, but yeah the time used in that game was pretty strange. Almost 30 seconds for the second move, almost as if he took a break to turn on an engine or something. Then the time used was about 3-6 seconds per move. Oh well.

Yep, same pattern in other games.

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We taking a few seconds at 1800 for an obviously free bishop is odd…..anyways

#inb4thelock
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Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

high accuracy itself in one game proves nothing

I completely agree. I've seen 1000 rated players get 98% games and I have no problem with it. I'm not only looking at the percent, I'm looking at the moves themselves... for example when a move makes no sense but it happens to be the engine's top pick. Or when easy moves take the same amount of time as difficult moves.

engine top picks moves almost always do make some sense... sure sometimes its not so intuitive and you can say that its suspicious if people play engine moves too much but its hard to find something what would be a real prove.. 

FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

if you think that he cheated for whatever reason then report him

I did report him.
If he isn't banned then it means chess.com is idiots.
But hey, I did my part.

Sure go ahead.. but remember that you could be wrong too.. everybody does a mistake sometimes.. 

FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

proclaiming it in public forum is stupid...

Cheaters p*ss me off. I don't mind shaming him even if it's against the rules. If they want to mute me for it go ahead, I don't care.
yeah.. I just don't wanna to this place became an argue about if this and that person cheated or not.. 

 

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Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:

Oh, you're that person I argued with for a long time about always reporting people who beat you in rapid games (if your rating is high).

Check out the game history in this link:

https://www.chess.com/member/moem1958

ok but 2500 rating is kinda out of my or your league

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FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

high accuracy itself in one game proves nothing

I completely agree. I've seen 1000 rated players get 98% games and I have no problem with it. I'm not only looking at the percent, I'm looking at the moves themselves... for example when a move makes no sense but it happens to be the engine's top pick. Or when easy moves take the same amount of time as difficult moves.

engine top picks moves almost always do make some sense... sure sometimes its not so intuitive and you can say that its suspicious if people play engine moves too much but its hard to find something what would be a real prove.. 

FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

if you think that he cheated for whatever reason then report him

I did report him.
If he isn't banned then it means chess.com is idiots.
But hey, I did my part.

Sure go ahead.. but remember that you could be wrong too.. everybody does a mistake sometimes.. 

FoxWithNekoEars wrote:

proclaiming it in public forum is stupid...

Cheaters p*ss me off. I don't mind shaming him even if it's against the rules. If they want to mute me for it go ahead, I don't care.
yeah.. I just don't wanna to this place became an argue about if this and that person cheated or not.. 

 

There's more to it than that but ok, I wont argue it forever here. You're right that it's not supposed to be in the forums... and sure I can't know 100%, so it's better to leave it up to chess.com, blah blah blah.

Honestly if he weren't bragging and calling his opponent "trash" I probably wouldn't have said anything, and just quietly reported him...

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FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:

Oh, you're that person I argued with for a long time about always reporting people who beat you in rapid games (if your rating is high).

Check out the game history in this link:

https://www.chess.com/member/moem1958

ok but 2500 rating is kinda out of my or your league

Ok, but I never said we should report our opponents.

I also said a few times during that discussion that I haven't reported any of my opponents.

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Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:
FoxWithNekoEars wrote:
Uživatel nMsALpg napsal:

Oh, you're that person I argued with for a long time about always reporting people who beat you in rapid games (if your rating is high).

Check out the game history in this link:

https://www.chess.com/member/moem1958

ok but 2500 rating is kinda out of my or your league

Ok, but I never said we should report our opponents.

I also said a few times during that discussion that I haven't reported any of my opponents.

yeah.. sure I am not angry at you because I would think that you are some vengeful person who report everybody who doesn't like... I understand that its some kind of academic theorethical discussion and blah blah.. 
I just don't think that is good showing in public forums this kind of "let's ban everybody for cheating attitude"

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Looking at the replay with @Rubenpekasau it's far from obvious that the O.P. cheated. White played the opening in an unorthodox but logical fashion but then proceeded to make several bad mistakes. White wasn't worth the 83% accuracy, or whatever white was awarded. It was fairly easy for black, given white's mistakes and I think it was just an anomaly of the engine awarding 99.3% because black wasn't worth that. Black played well but I would have thought that the early e5 was inaccurate. But maybe it's a move an engine might make, even so. Black should be attacking in the centre, not playing e5, because white's opening is too slow.

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Optimissed wrote:

Looking at the replay with @Rubenpekasau it's far from obvious that the O.P. cheated. White played the opening in an unorthodox but logical fashion but then proceeded to make several bad mistakes. White wasn't worth the 83% accuracy, or whatever white was awarded. It was fairly easy for black, given white's mistakes and I think it was just an anomaly of the engine awarding 99.3% because black wasn't worth that. Black played well but I would have thought that the early e5 was inaccurate. But maybe it's a move an engine might make, even so. Black should be attacking in the centre, not playing e5, because white's opening is too slow.

A trick I like to use for early center pawn moves like 5.e5 is it should do at least one of the following:

1) It opens a central square for my knight
2) It chases away an enemy knight in a way that it can't go to a central square

In this case 5.e5 can be met by 5...d5, and so my knight can't go to e4, so it's better to not play it... of course sometimes it's good to change the structure for other reasons, but like you're saying in the opening it's better to develop pieces.

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Yes, since white wasn't posing a threat it's normal to develop pieces. In that variation of the Alapin, where black has already played d6, white has to play accurately. It used to be thought somewhat better for black and then in the 1980s it became fashionable for white to actually play into it deliberately, because one of the GM Alapin analysts found a few wrinkles around which white could base a game. I think it was more with the idea of confusing a black player who may have thought that 3. c3 shouldn't be good. It was thought by some to be a tiny edge for white but that was dubious.

I wouldn't have thought e5 is a good way to play as black. The idea would be to try to take advantage of white's having played c3. Now, if after e5, white can arrange to play d4, white should be better, or so I should think.

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How I deal with trash hippo players... obviously the hippo itself isn't trash, but when playing anon games online I'm not exactly playing against David Bronstein. The hippo at this level is just some random garbage.

I've had more or less the same setup many times (up through move 14) so not original or anything... but reminded me of this topic.

 

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we are well aware that alking about cheating is not allowed, i'm honestly surprised @Martin_Stahl hasn't locked the forum yet