I quit chess.com - can't maintain 1500 rating due to sandbaggers.

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Cornfed
QathetMike wrote:

Rage quit, when only down 26 (elo) from peak?

wow

big +1

I mean...if they are or are cheating you will get the points you lost back when they are caught. But yeh, people love to whine.

sawdof
SliceofLife wrote:

Every single game I have lost this week has been to a player with a highest rating of 1700 or above, these players are stomping me with 90-95% accuracy, when I play fellow 1500s I win but then there are so many of these sandbaggers it is impossible to progress. Quitting the site because this is stupid, sort it out moderators.

Boohoo

DrSpudnik
sawdof wrote:
SliceofLife wrote:

Every single game I have lost this week has been to a player with a highest rating of 1700 or above, these players are stomping me with 90-95% accuracy, when I play fellow 1500s I win but then there are so many of these sandbaggers it is impossible to progress. Quitting the site because this is stupid, sort it out moderators.

Boohoo

His profile says he was on line 29 minutes ago. It looks like this may be yet another embarrassing ragequit posting that will drag on for years after it started.

Nylon-Sock-100
Unfriendly comments are mean 😢 and quite frankly unnecessary . Encouragement is much better !
David
Woolly-Da-Bully123 wrote:
Unfriendly comments are mean 😢 and quite frankly unnecessary . Encouragement is much better !

You can't encourage an unhinged conspiracy theory - how would you "encourage" him towards a more rational and reasonable position? I'd love to know, because there are plenty of other folks who need exactly the same thing. On the internet. Let me know how you go!

sawdof
David wrote:
Woolly-Da-Bully123 wrote:
Unfriendly comments are mean 😢 and quite frankly unnecessary . Encouragement is much better !

You can't encourage an unhinged conspiracy theory - how would you "encourage" him towards a more rational and reasonable position? I'd love to know, because there are plenty of other folks who need exactly the same thing. On the internet. Let me know how you go!

I thought my boohoo was inspirational

sndeww
pcalugaru wrote:

CHESS Com ratings are not some official rating platform that other organization acknowledge.

WHICH WOULD THIS ORGANIZATION CARE MOST ABOUT... the chance of a buffed ratings system for paying customer being seen as disingenuous or sustained profits?

Indeed, no official organization "Recognizes" chess.com ratings. But chess.com hosts many tournaments with real prize money, in which real people play in, including titled players, so there is an incentive to make the tournaments honest. And for that to occur, you need decent ratings which are an accurate reflection of the player's relative strength.

Chess.com is indeed a profit-oriented company. But I don't think you understand, that just because something may make them money, that it is profitable to implement, because the implementation may take extreme amounts of time when it is easier to simply make actual tools for chess, and then charge people for it.

It is a chess site, no? So it would logically follow that if you charge people for decent chess tools, they would pay, no? Resulting in profits? And of course the employees won't need to feel any moral conflict. I mean, this site's been open since like what, 2007? If they were implementing bots, with the amount of staff in the site, don't you think somebody would be a whistleblower?

pcalugaru wrote:

Im not saying Chess.com are buffing the playing conditions for their premium members ...but if they did.... they would only have to do it with 1400 elo and below.... (The largest Block of players)

So now we change tune to "im not saying they're doing this, but IF they're doing this, they would do it specifically for my demographic!" And of course you pulled the number 1400 out of nowhere, because you could have easily said something like 1800. or 1900. I mean, as the number goes higher, they'll grab a larger block of players, so why stop at 1400?

And let's say you're right. It cuts off at 1400. Then the boosted players play people who are actually good, and they lose rating. And fall back down below 1400. So they don't actually get a higher rating either. This is so silly.

pcalugaru wrote:

AND THERE IS THE FLAW IN YOUR PREMISE:

WOT FOUND that the pool of noob influx (if they make a certain percentage of the game free) is very sustainable.... to keep a well populated premium membership going

Are we talking about chess.com or World of Tanks here?

I don't think you understood what i meant. If you have a scandal on this scale and get exposed, you go from being the #1 chess site for a decade and a half to an absolute nobody. And no one would suggest to play chess.com. It would be like playing on chess24 back when it still existed, an absolute ghost town. How you make money from like, 200,000 players? When you had hundreds of millions before? Does that sound like it's in the best interest of a profit-oriented company?

Your whole argument literally falls apart because there is a very good alternative competitor to chess.com, in the form of lichess.org. If chess.com is discovered to have done this, it would become irrelevant instantly because lichess is already a very big platform by itself, and does many things better than chess.com.

pcalugaru wrote:

And lastly ... In WOT it was always the premium member who was the most strident to NOT believe is the buffs... Question: Are you a paying member?

Whether or not I am a paying member is not a factor in this argument.

sndeww
Doves-cove wrote:
cR1NN wrote:
Doves-cove wrote:

forum post on premium player not getting banned

This is stupid. In the introduction to CAPS, chess.com has specifically stated then and continues to state that accuracy is not an accurate depiction of cheating whatsoever. Anyone can have a good game. Anyone can play a 99 accuracy game if they develop the pieces, and take a free piece, and then have their opponent resign.

If you really want to consider what may be engine use, you should instead look at time spent per move rather than accuracy.

ok ill be generous and say ''maybe not cheating'' but how abt harassing? i got harassed by a paying member and hes still not banned, how???? for example if some one was paying you for moving a finger would you still fire him/her if him/her told you something rude? chess.com is doing the same thing, they're charging people for stuff they could get free on lichess. and if a paying member is not following community guidelines the most they'll get is a 3 day mute, why? because they're filling their pockets with money every week.

If someone was being very rude to me in a game I would finish it and never play with him again. There's a really nice way to do this online, it's called blocking.

And getting mutes is a normal thing for breaking guidelines. Imagine messing up once, or the automod (they have one) flags you for something on accident, now you're banned, what now?

You're looking at completely normal punishments and thinking it's no punishment whatsoever.

DrSpudnik
sawdof wrote:
David wrote:
Woolly-Da-Bully123 wrote:
Unfriendly comments are mean 😢 and quite frankly unnecessary . Encouragement is much better !

You can't encourage an unhinged conspiracy theory - how would you "encourage" him towards a more rational and reasonable position? I'd love to know, because there are plenty of other folks who need exactly the same thing. On the internet. Let me know how you go!

I thought my boohoo was inspirational

I personally derived great comfort from it.

davidk67

You can't blame chess.com if you play badly.

Doves-cove

True

DrSpudnik
davidk67 wrote:

You can't blame chess.com if you play badly.

Well, I certainly can't blame myself! How would that look?!

sawdof
DrSpudnik wrote:
davidk67 wrote:

You can't blame chess.com if you play badly.

Well, I certainly can't blame myself! How would that look?!

This is why we always need a higher power. Stops some from kicking their dog.

On the bright side, the op hasn't left yet. The comments here must have been inspiring

Compadre_J

I agree with the OP on this one.

I looked at the game and it hurt my soul just looking at it.

I wasn’t even the one playing and it hurt me.

The game was nasty!

I got to hand it to the Caro Kan player.

It was the total collapse of the White Position.

I had to take a shower because it felt so dirty!

The Caro Kan player transposed the line into an Improve French position. Than completely annihilated the center causing the white player to enter a state of panic with desperate attempt for King side attack, but he who rules the center, rules the game. The King side attack was never going to manifest under Black side player rule.

I think it’s ok if the OP decides to quit the game of chess.

Don’t you people understand!

The OP line has been exposed!

Where can the OP improve?

He can’t really improve the line he loves to play.

This is why players don’t play the way the OP does against the Caro Kan.

Adapt or Die - The OP will have to change openings and adapt to the new open or his ability to increase his chess ranking with the same line he is using will perish!

The OP enemy played at close to 95% accuracy with only 1 inaccuracy.

The OP played at close to 80% accuracy game with 4 inaccuracies and 1 mistake.

Most of the errors happened while he was already in a losing position. Do you see it?

My recommendation is maybe the OP should try the move 2.d4.

He could just let the Nf3 chill and delayed that development a little bit.

The below position is extremely normal right

Look at the way the OP played it

If you look at it closely, you can see how white center is going to crumble.

The Caro Kan is a positional line which builds momentum.

sndeww
Compadre_J wrote:

I agree with the OP on this one.

I looked at the game and it hurt my soul just looking at it.

I wasn’t even the one playing and it hurt me.

The game was nasty!

I got to hand it to the Caro Kan player.

It was the total collapse of the White Position.

I had to take a shower because it felt so dirty!

The Caro Kan player transposed the line into an Improve French position. Than completely annihilated the center causing the white player to enter a state of panic with desperate attempt for King side attack, but he who rules the center, rules the game. The King side attack was never going to manifest under Black side player rule.

I'm pretty sure you're being sarcastic but unfortunately by the time you're 1500 people know basic plans, and all black did was capitalize off a very commonly known error by white (literally anyone who plays caro kann would know about it) and then put his pieces where they want to be. Then white just gave stuff for free, and you don't need to be a great player to play like that

Compadre_J

I am not being sarcastic.

1,500 isn’t the rating where players play at 95% accuracy.

No offense to 1,500 players, but they are just not that good.

The opponent played against a stronger player.

We can see from players profile the peek rating he has had was 1711 which is fairly recent.

I think 1700 rated players can be very accurate in games on occasion so it is more believable.

Obviously, The player has 1,700 strength with only 1,500 rating?

Was sandbagging the cause? I don’t know!

The OP thinks so

I like to believe in the best of others so to me I would say the reason the player is 1,500 is because he probably been testing out new opening or he suffers from tilt.

Obviously, we will never know.

sndeww

Your example he peaked 1711. That's barely knocking 1700. Then he predictably tilted back down, and it's really easy to steamroll losses in rapid because you get more frustrated due to the long time control.

Your screenshot doesn't even prove your point. You show a screenshot where his accuracies are 77, 82, and 80. Hardly 1700 level play, especially against people rated about 120 points lower than his peak.

If he truly played at 1700 strength then he would be up there, and not simply peak up there.

Vonbishoffen
sawdof wrote:
SliceofLife wrote:

Every single game I have lost this week has been to a player with a highest rating of 1700 or above, these players are stomping me with 90-95% accuracy, when I play fellow 1500s I win but then there are so many of these sandbaggers it is impossible to progress. Quitting the site because this is stupid, sort it out moderators.

Boohoo

My sentiments exactly

Vonbishoffen
jankogajdoskoLEM wrote:

Game is rigged my dear friend, anyways I wish you the best and good luck.

Reminds me of something about elo gatekeepers

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/community/game-is-rigged-cant-win

xor_eax_eax05

Using rating in the 1000 elo bracket rapid to measure strength is pointless. There's usually no difference in play between an 800 and a 1600. Completely broken. I've said this many times, as someone who has played Daily chess their entire life and im 1700-1800 strong at Daily chess, many 800 elos are as strong or even stronger. Many others are just barely learning to move the pieces. And both types are the same elo. You never know what you are going to get, rendering the meaning of "800 elo" pointless.

This 900 elo who can apparently hold the position equal for 30 moves:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/115644527627?tab=review

is barely 100 points higher than this 850 elo:

https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/108395505328?tab=review

Like, I resign on the spot if you put a performance like the first game, even if im winning.

Just ran the first game through Lichess and my opponent played 28 centipawn loss at 900 elo level. In a 40 game move. I had to play at 17 centipawn loss for THIRTY moves before he blundered one single pawn which turned the position in my favour.

Imagine having to put a 20 centipawn loss performance in the 800 elo bracket just to have the chance to tip the game in your favour on just one pawn loss.