Old Thread: IMPORTANT Change Coming to Vacation Use!

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when i get windows warnings i just click the X in the red box.

that a mexican having a p__

There is one legitimate scenario I can think of - coaching as part of *unrated* individual (non-tournament) games - in which a change in the policy as proposed would actually hurt, rather than protect, the interests of the player who is waiting for a move to be made.

I know because I am often in such situations as the coach.

Here is how it plays out.

Assume it is my move as the coach, and the situation is complicated, plus there is a question or two from the person whom I coach that I would like to address. Doing this properly sometimes requires that I spend a little extra time to address the questions, and while doing so the system may put me on vacation temporarily, even though I am not technically away. 

If I were forced to move faster, in order to preserve my vacation time, this would work counter to the interests of the person I coach, as I would effectively spend less time addressing their needs -- questions, ideas, and playing at my best at the same time. 

Therefore, since those coaching games are exclusively unrated and based on good will rather than any sort of competition, I would like to request an exception/exemption to the proposed rule - namely, that unrated games be treated as they are now (i.e., no 24 hour vacation minimum on them). 

This would take minimal code to implement alongside the main change in the policy, and it would not hurt the tournament players' interests, who will still get the treatment they desire according to the newly proposed rules.

why not have the games 14 days per move ?

as nice as that sounds ... I disagree because what's the point in having a premium membership if you can only use a vacation day one at a time, you could've put restrictions  but either way works for me

I love it! Take that vacation abusers!

Really cool, I've supported this idea in the forums before. I might even have initiated it, I think......

duck  rooperi ! the vacation abusers is throwing tomatoes at you !!

I like how half the people can't read...

I also like how this thread is going the way of the Titanic...

So two things I like have come from this change, which aren't even related to the change (which I like!).

Boy I am very happy.

???  You can still take vacation for longer periods.  You just won't be able to take vacation without being charged with less than 1 vacation day.  Go on vacation 5 separate times for 1 hour each time and 5 days will have been deducted from your vacation balance.

valentin, why not use a "take-back" game for coaching?  That way you could make a move to stop vacation coming on whilst you think a bit more and then take back the move when you are ready and enter your real move and comments etc.

By the way I like the new one day minimum idea, far too many of us premium members effectively using vacation to give themselves a longer time limit per move.

 Please note that this is in addition to the change last week of timeout percentages applying only to the last 90 days.  So even if you should overload yourself with a plethora of games, and lose on time due to running out of vacation, after 90 days your timeout percentage would go back to zero.

 To me, this policy change isn't so much an addressing of the abuse factor as it is a fix to bring vacation back into the purpose for which it was intended.

 I use the auto-vacation when I am busy doing other kind of things or when I am not in the mood to play. Then I let my games take vacation for a couple of hours. Vacation is allowed when you cannot play but also when you don't want to play.
Now this will cost me a day each time. No problem.

I support anything that makes life less pleasant for ABUSERS ! 

This is exactly what is happening to me in one of my games. I have a Rook and 3 Pawns (+ King) to his King and 1 pawn. He stands no chance of promoting his pawn and I will definately promote mine. He started this after blundering and losing his Rook. Anyway the fact he is doing this will make the win more worthwhile, whether he times out, eventually resigns or loses to checkmate. I am happy in any case - I just check back once a day and move if he has.

Back to the original issue - I would agree that something needs to be done to conbat vacation abuse and this may well be a good start.

I have not experienced this as a massive problem yet but have not played that many games so far.

 I disagree, and I am not mentioned in the previous paragraph.

What about people that actually are on vacation? Are they expected to time-out in all their games if they are away for a few days?

At the (certain) risk of increasing the confusion ...

I've just been on vacation for 11 days and I come to find this change pending! So now my vacation allowance gets docked by 11*24*60 = 15,840 days and I end up owing chess.com about 15,800 days vacation.

Assuming I continue to accrue vacation allowance at a rate of 2 days per month - (and I don't take any further vacation), it will take 658 years (approximately) to repay the vacation I owe.

[NOTE: Do not take the above post TOO seriously]

There's nothing in the rule change that would make them any more likely to time out.  They would still take vacation time just like before, assuming they had it available in the first place.